Talk:American Idol season 8

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This article states Adam Lambert as being openly gay without listing a source. Has he ever declared to the media that he is gay? Videos of him kissing guys are not valid sources.Gingerwiki (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I missed something, Ryan never said that Matt was bottom 2. I have a feeling Scott was "saved" first because it was just easier for him. Otherwise he'd have to be guided all over the place as they shuffle the bottom 2 around quite a bit. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 04:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had a hard time believing it too, but Ryan did say "These are your bottom two" at some point in the results show last night - I'll have to go back over my DVR later to make sure. But who knows, he could have just said it to create drama, and Matt might have actually been completely safe the whole time - just some poor random finalist put in the hot seat for the sake of good tv. Another thing we'll probably never know for sure...Cespence17 (talk) 13:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think they will go that far. They will be in deep trouble if they were caught by faking the results just for drama. I think these are the real bottom 3. The actual results might be accidentally leaked out, so I doubt they will take such a risk just for better TV. Dialidol might be wrong this time about Matt. Syjytg (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the bottom 3 IS the bottom 3. They cannot fudge the results like that. What they do sometimes do is pretend like someone is bottom 2 but isn't...but they are still bottom 3. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 15:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think they would would say "bottom 3" to someone who isnt in the bottom 3. I could only see them doing what they did to Anoop and Megan in Week 1 of the finals and call them to the centre, but then they didnt say anything about a bottom 4. (90.201.176.86 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Ryan definitely said Matt and Michael were the bottom 2. Same for Michael and Alexis last week. I think as long as Ryan explicitly says 2 contestants are in the bottom 2 after sending the first bottom 3'er back to safety, which he has done for the last 2 weeks now, we should list them as being in the bottom 2. Excuse me for saying, but it is not the job of an encyclopedia to interpret when the show is telling the truth and when they are lying for dramatic effect. We have to go by what they explicitly say MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And having said that, since the show seems content on identifying the bottom 2 within the bottom 3 this season, would it be ok if we went back to using the standard palegolderod color for all Btm and Elim boxes in the finals like in the seasons 1-6 pages? Because the "saved first/last" information isn't really important anymore if we know for sure who the bottom 2 are. There are way to many different shades of yellow in use on the chart as it is anyway. MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I don't quite understand this idea that they "tied for 13th". I highly doubt that they tied for 13th. So they finished 12th or 13th. That's what the 12-13 means. We have ample precedent for this in previous seasons. This is one example. For the past several seasons, they eliminated 4 every week in the semis but they never gave places. So they were listed as 13-16, 17-21, etc. In season 6, we had a similar situation to this year. Phil Stacey and Chris Richardson were both eliminated during the same week. In the chart, they are listed as 5-6. I just don't get the issue I guess. Using 12-13 is entirely accurate. "Tied for 13th" implies that they tied in votes. Well they didn't. The show never gave places and we shouldn't imply places. We'll never know which finished which. But saying 13th is dishonest and simply incorrect. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 11:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if they were tied it would be at 12th, but I doubt that they got the same amount of votes. I support listing them as "12-13" because that makes the most sense. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 11:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]