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There seems to be no official source for the colour shades of the Taiwanese flag and the only other source I could find was the Album des pavillons which gives 301C for the blue shade and 186C for the red. These seemed to be used in the original image of the flag. However, they seem to be wrong; when looking at all the pictures of real flags, the red seems brighter and blue darker in reality. The current red shade looks unnatural on monitor because it couldn't look that bright on a real flag. I tried to pick Pantone shades that are closest to this image and are also used in other flags: 185C for red and 281C for blue. –Vzb83 (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I been told many colors too for the Taiwanese flag, but I honestly believe we should find one that is acceptable before we start changing the main image. Plus, if you change this one, then you have to change the dependant images, such as ensigns and the KMT flag. Also, I am getting some ROC flags in the mail from Taiwan, so I can see what is used. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I got from the official laws: "國旗黨旗均用印染法，以國產絲毛棉麻等織品為材料。國旗顏色為天青純白深紅，黨旗顏色為天青純白，旗桿白色配以金黃色球頂。" From a quick translation, the colors turn out to be azure, white and dark red. There seems to be a national printing process too, so I think it would be best if someone from Taiwan (or can read Chinese) do an accurate translation of us. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Were the previous shades based on any source? I've usually tried to go with the most reliable source I can find, but since the original shades that had a source do not seem to match reality, I'd try to find something else. I can change the colours of the dependant flags but I'll wait for a while to see if my changes on this flag will last. If we can't reach consensus I'd still use the wrong looking tones that are the only ones verified by a source. –Vzb83 (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I compared the image to the flags I owned from Taiwan. Now, that I have looked into the issue more, I am not certain what color shade to use for the main flag. All I know really is the red and blue are dark. I was sent a few guesses by the British, and as I mentioned before, the colors stated in Album 2000 was just an estimation. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now, that I got some more books and flags from Taiwan. There is supposed to be a hint of green in the colors, and from the versions that I see, it is not present. The books I got show a dark color flag on the cover, but light in the book itself. I also noticed the blue on the cloth flags and lapel pins are dark in color. And, the red used in the Chinese Taipei flag is the same red used in the Olympic rings, so I mind as well use that. I will upload it and see what yall think about it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The closest thing I get to the 2 parts 1 part green (from hints by .tw friends) is Pantone 302C, which is close to what I got. Granted, I am using an LCD monitor, so the colors will look always odd at my end. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I emailed the government of the RoC here was the response in regards to the colours.

To deal with the situation:

hello: In November 3 of the views expressed by e-mail, the answer is as follows: According to the national flag of the Republic of China National Emblem Law Article 4 stipulates that the national flag of the Republic of China in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution as a red sun and blue sky in the upper left corner. China has yet to regulate the national emblem of the national flag color standard, but the national flag when the national emblem should be drawn to the pure color.

In this case to contact: Liu Qi days Telephone: (***) ****

Sincerely, Good health. And good luck Minister of the Ministry of the Interior E-mail Dear

(Translated)

Militaryace (talk) 13:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Militaryace, the construction of the flag isn't the issue at all. I have the relevant laws in a book now from Taiwan. However, we are just not sure what to use. The law mentions a blue color, and when I put the name in English, it comes out Cyan or Azure. The character for Red in Chinese is the same in Japanese, so I know it is red. I still feel it is a dark red, like crimson. I need to put some more photos on flickr to show what I got in my books. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I just posted the reply they gave me.

As far as I know there is no "official" shades for the colours. I'm not 100% sure though.

Militaryace (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are no official shades, I checked already. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But I think the shades of the flag should be same as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. [1]--128.208.37.26 08:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You guys were misled by the word 青. The official name of the flag is 青天白日满地红, the 青天白日 should be understood different. First and most importantly, the real meaning is not in the 'color', as explained in 林語堂:青天 [qing1tian1], n., (1) the clear, blue sky: 青天白日 in broad daylight; (2) as symbol of justice: 重見青天 regain freedom, freed from prison; formerly, address to judge: 青天大人. 青天白日, in the true sense of the word, was referring to the dark and oppressive rule of the Manchus; Dr.Sun Yet Sen, a revolutioary and one of the original designers of the flag, was fighting for freedom, the freedom of fresh sky and clear sun. Once we understand 青天白日 from this prospective, the answer is very certain. Sky Blue, is the answer. Not dark blue, certainly not black, which is the color I am seeing now on my monitor. OK guys? If no more doubts, please revert to the color used a few months ago. If you are a Chinese, you should know that Black flag is a symbol of death in China. Stop it now, please.Arilang1234 (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think sky blue#87CEEB works at all. Maybe these photos can help you guys [2][3].--128.208.37.26 10:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally like the colors used on the MFA website. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are using the MFA's version, the current red color is perfect, but the blue color should be a little bit darker. I think dark blue #00008B or navy #000080 will be fit. Thank you. --128.208.37.26 20:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will probably try navy blue. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think now? I think it is still too bright compared to the MFA's one. How about sapphire #082567. Do you want to try this?--128.208.37.26 02:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I used the blue that you suggested above. But, I am on an LCD, so I want to wait for others to chime in. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sample for previewing?--128.208.37.26 08:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Whampoa Military Academy emblem includes its motto, which was first proclaimed by Sun Yat-sen at the Whampoa Academy's opening in 1924. The red and blue color of the original ROC national emblem can be used as a standard.Arilang1234 (talk) 05:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]