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Fails GNG. This character has receive little to zero commentary. The only good sources were the criticism about its gameplay? but those doesn't really help; others were trivia. This source is the only good one [1]. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 13:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and China. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:54, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Alright so I'm going to begin this by stating that this article was created in translation of the Chinese version. Now The Chinese Wikipedia has its own reliable secondary sources list concerning video game articles. And yes, I'm well aware that the standards vary significantly between the two versions but some Chinese language sources are currently unavailable in the English Wikipedia as for example, references 8 and 41 are cited as a reliable source according to consensus. There are also entire secondary Chinese studies conducted on Zhongli including references 13 and 30, demonstrating notability in at least Chinese audiences. Furthermore, the character's popularity is well established by both English and Chinese reliable sources. Addressing the The only good sources were the criticism? but those doesn't really help argument, there are articles on the English Wikipedia that gained notability based on controversies or criticism involving either gameplay or characterization such as Tingle, Ashley Graham (GA), and The Outsider. Now you could make the argument that perhaps there should be a dedicated paragraph and a rewrite of the Zhongli Incident or that his reception section could use some work in terms of the overall writing and structure but that doesn't really warrant outright deletion/merging as per WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. Regardless, I'll look into finding further sources if other editors don't seem to find the current sourcing satisfactory enough. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either your rationale isn't really an "argument". That 3 articles you mentioned were being discussed by multiple sources, while this one doesn't really but the gameplay mostly; this falls under gamecruft. Adding more chinese sources or other rankings and listicles, it doesn't help; save your precious time. Only the Siliconera source were the good one. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 08:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As a Chinese Wikipedian working on the corresponding Chinese article, I was improving the Chinese article in the past few days. Although I haven't proposed Good Article Nomination yet, @SuperSkaterDude45: maybe you can check the revisions and start translating the new stuff, if that helps. Supergrey1 (talk) 06:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the commentary part, I cited four journal articles in the current Chinese version, all reaching the minimum of WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Adding them into the English article may help improve notability issues. Supergrey1 (talk) 07:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge To List of Genshin Impact characters. Sources that are reliable in Chinese Wikipedia are not necessarily reliable in English Wikipedia, and editors should probably be cognizant of that before bringing over articles. Wikipedia is also not a popularity contest, per WP:ITSPOPULAR. This article reads like a FANDOM page. If this character really is notable, please include WP:THREE best sources in any language here, because the article lacks sufficient significant coverage. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of all sources that I could find, probably this was only good one [2]. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 08:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that one is pretty good. Although WP:VG/S recommends to replace Siliconera sources with better ones, so it's definitely not enough on its own, much less being the best one in an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you guys only care about English reliable sources listed in WP:VG/S, I can add two more (Dot EsportsGamesRadar+) so we now have three. Multiple news article reporting the recent collab between Genshin Impact and Sanxingdui Museum can also prove notability, though they are in Chinese (Jiefang DailyWenhui BaoSichuan Daily). Supergrey1 (talk) 09:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]