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Section sizes Section size for Jerusalem (51 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 31,764 31,764 Etymology and names 56 20,123 Etymology 5,044 5,044 Ancient Egyptian sources 3,008 3,008 Hebrew Bible and Jewish sources 867 867 Oldest written mention of Jerusalem 2,128 2,128 Jebus, Zion, City of David 2,262 2,262 Greek, Roman and Byzantine names 307 307 Salem 3,001 3,001 Arabic names 3,450 3,450 History 3,548 3,548 Political status 6,015 43,491 International status 3,304 3,304 Status under Israeli rule 5,762 5,762 Jerusalem as capital of Israel 17,326 21,250 Government precinct and national institutions 1,615 1,615 Israeli settlements 2,309 2,309 Jerusalem as capital of Palestine 5,063 7,160 Palestinian offices and institutions 2,097 2,097 Municipal administration 6,306 6,306 Geography 6,365 14,891 Climate 8,526 8,526 Demographics 17 24,939 Demographic history 7,205 7,205 Current demographics 15,384 15,384 Urban planning issues 2,333 2,333 Religious significance 1,468 17,495 Judaism 4,624 4,624 Christianity 4,751 4,751 Islam 6,652 6,652 Economy 14,661 14,661 Urban structure 23 7,680 High-rise construction 5,831 5,831 New projects in Jerusalem 1,826 1,826 Transportation 52 10,557 Public transport 1,461 1,461 Railway 4,561 4,561 Airport 4,483 4,483 Education 14 14,761 Universities 11,876 11,876 Arab schools 2,871 2,871 Culture 20,276 28,440 Media 1,097 1,097 Sports 7,067 7,067 Twin towns – sister cities 6,802 6,802 See also 206 206 Notes 34 34 References 28 28 Bibliography 448 448 Further reading 2,059 2,059 External links 2,753 2,753 Total 250,986 250,986

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"Please change Western Asia to West Asia at the beginning of the article" Onion1981 (talk) 12:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This change has minimal efect, but it is the title of the associated article.  Done. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lead of this article claims that significant construction activity in Jerusalem began in the 9th century BCE (Iron Age II), and by the 8th century BCE, the city had developed into the religious and administrative centre of the Kingdom of Judah. In support of these claims, the article cites Moore & Kelle (2011), who wrote that the archaeological studies up to their time seemed to support those conclusions. However, a more recent source, Sergi (2023), states that the most recent archaeological evidence indicates that monumental construction activity in Jerusalem had already begun in the 10th century BCE, and the city had developed into an administrative centre by the Iron Age IIA period (see pp. 187–201). I think the article should take this newer information into account. Potatín5 (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

The line "Jerusalem was named as Urusalim on ancient Egyptian tablets, probably meaning "City of Shalem" after a Canaanite deity." should be removed or edited.

• Why it should be changed:

Firstly it needs citations, and secondly this translation as being named after a Canaanite deity is already considered contentious among scholars. Shalem, whether as a town or a deity, is derived from the same root Š-L-M as the word "shalom" in Hebrew, meaning 'peace'. The much more commonly accepted translation is thus "City of Peace".

163.182.115.238 (talk) 19:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are citations in the body of the article. There is further explanation at [1] with 41 citations. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template.  Spintendo  04:15, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Oslo Accords, parts of few Jerusalem's neighbourhoods such as Sur Baher, Umm Tuba, Beit Hanina, 'Arab al-Jahalin, and a small part of Kafr 'Aqab is under PA. Pls check and update it in article. since its extended protected Ya Haraami (talk) 08:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jerusalem as a whole has only been holy for Jews. The other two faiths have holy sites in the city. The main text should be amended accordingly. Dori1951 (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not true so not done. There is a vast literature on this. Zero^talk 03:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is holy also to other religions, prominently to Islam and Christianity. Homerethegreat (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss and @Gjb0zWxOb I saw you dealt with Freedom of Religion in the city. I think we can discuss the issue here. From what I know there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem, Christians and Muslims can go to their holysites, albiet the Jews are partially restricted from going to the temple mount. So I do think we can alter from: Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law

to:

Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law, although Jews are partially restricted from accessing the Temple Mount Homerethegreat (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No we are not quoting Israel's basic laws in a Wikipedia article and we are not taking "From what I know" as an argument. Please find supporting RS, and refrain from adding information to the lede that does not summarize the body. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a good suggestion. I found some RSs that support the additional claim too.[2][3]

In respect to your concerns, @Makeandtoss I agree it does not have to be in the lede and I will put it in another portion of the article. I hope this is a solution that pleases everyone. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources don’t support the claim, they literally just state what the law is and nothing about what is in practice. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[4], [5]

We can add that some Christian organizations have felt worried about harassments and that Jews are not allowed to pray in the temple mount [6] [7][8] But in general it seems there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]