I would like to remove the warning "This article does not cite any sources. (January 2024)" because it's placed in the wrong place; it should be placed at the beginning of the article. Unfortunately, I cannot remove the warning, because removing it also removes the bibliography. Someone has wrongly formatted the bibliography. JackkBrown (talk) 00:48, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, I have reversed one of your changes so the article now has a references section again. TSventon (talk) 01:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: to me it looks more like a bibliography than references. JackkBrown (talk) 01:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: "References" is a more usual heading, according to MOS:REFERENCES. The main thing is don't change the code under it as you did previously. TSventon (talk) 01:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: In this edit, it appears you changed <references /> to {{References}}. {{References}} redirects to {{Unreferenced}} - a banner usually placed at the top of an article stating that the article has no sources. Maybe you meant to use {{reflist}}, a template that formats the list of references in the proper place, usually a section called "References". GoingBatty (talk) 03:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty: yes, that's right, my mistake, it had never happened to me before. I solved it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colatura_di_alici&diff=prev&oldid=1200729682. JackkBrown (talk) 03:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's dearchivation of my topic because it's ongoing. It's under today's date to prevent the bot from archiving it again. Hello. I noticed some issue with the Media Viewer of MW (i'm sure: this problem was not happened in the past). I cannot close it when i opened it after scrolling the page down (i mean going back to the article, not disabling it), because the page header covers it's close button. Are there any way to hide the header when the media viewer is opened? (This is a serious bug, it'll be better if someone can hide it when it's opened for everyone, not with some user-script.) RuzDD (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RuzDD: What device are you using? Could you please give an example of an article and image where you are experiencing this? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty Firefox on Windows 10 PC, that happens on even the photo in this page. RuzDD (talk) 00:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extra note: my header is sticky. RuzDD (talk) 01:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RuzDD: I just had a similar experience that I could duplicate with the image on this page.

1. I click on the image above to go to File:The_Batley_Frontier_-_geograph.org.uk_-_413091.jpg and can see the close button.
2. I click on the image itself and it expands to cover the whole screen. Even when scrolling, I cannot see the close button.
3. I used my browser back button to go back to the help desk page.

Does this work for you? GoingBatty (talk) 01:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, i cannot see the close button on the in-page media viewer and that's the problem. I don't remember this from past so i think a recent interface change must be caused this. RuzDD (talk) 02:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RuzDD: Just to clarify - does using your browser's back button resolve the issue? GoingBatty (talk) 02:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty Yes (sorry for late answer), but the close button is easier to use and must not be covered by header. RuzDD (talk) 12:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a Close button on that page. When I open the image by clicking on it, it opens https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/The_Batley_Frontier_-_geograph.org.uk_-_413091.jpg, and the only content is the image, which does not fill my screen - there is a black border around it, and above that is the usual browser header. The only way back is the browser Back button. I do not remember there ever being a Close 'X' button for images displayed in this specific way. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 21:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the builtin media support of the browser and not the subject of this topic. If you look at [1] (if you not disabled media viewer) you probably see a close button at the topright corner, now click it and click the image again after scrolling the page down a few lines. If your header is sticky like mine, you must see that button is covered by the header. RuzDD (talk) 22:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RuzDD By "sticky header", are you referring to some gadget or user CSS? If so, I think you need to bring this up with whoever wrote that gadget or CSS. Rummskartoffel 22:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, my custom CSS does not have a rule to make it sticky (i don't know if it's a gadget and i don't know who made it). I have a z-index, and problem is solved when i delete it, but i got problems on other wikis some other pages when i deleted it. So, i think there's a bug, but i'm not sure it's where. RuzDD (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: not on other wikis, rather than other pages (for example, i cannot see the header bar at Main Page). RuzDD (talk) 10:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rummskartoffel May the whole problem is in Main Page(s)? RuzDD (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could I have some help from a sighted editor to deal with this edit on my watchlist to the Torreón page? I'm blind and use a screen reader and even *I* know that that's a rather unorthodox image layout. Thanks! Graham87 (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I ripped out a bunch of images. Now it looks ok to me. Maybe excessive, but just a stack on the right edge. DMacks (talk) 06:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I use the skinnier width layout on vector and it is still uh... not pretty. But that's mostly the fault of the climate table. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DMacks, @PARAKANYAA: The article suffers from attempting to be a picture-postcard of the town. I have further culled the "sight-seeing" images which caused the clutter by removing any not mentioned in the text; and restored the climate table to full-width. Bazza (talk) 09:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Bazza 7! DMacks (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once I make an article in draft space, once I think it's ready do I have to go through the AfC process, or can I just move it provided I am a (generally) experienced editor?

This isn't related to any articles that were moved into draftspace due to being considered currently unsuitable for mainspace, I figure that would be different. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to, but newer users are well-advised to go through the Afc process. You have over 12,000 edits and around a dozen created articles to your credit, and that seems like well into the experienced editor territory. If based on your experience, you are persuaded that the Draft demonstrates clear WP:Notability and has sufficient citations to reliable sources, I think you are within your rights to just move it to main space. Mathglot (talk) 08:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) :Per WP:CONFIRM, "Autoconfirmed/confirmed users can create articles". The worst that that can happen is it gets WP:AfD'd. Just remember to remove the draft afterwards. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I knew that, I was just worried about the fact I started it in draftspace and was going to move it, not starting it directly in mainspace. I seem to be fine to do this though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The normal way to promote a draft to an article is to move it from "Draft:Whatever" to "Whatever", turning the former title into a redirect. I don't think that anything else that could be called a removal is needed. -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not with your own draft. That would make the whole process rather pointless. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess they meant the big draft template thing that's created whenever you make a draft with the draft wizard. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have written over a hundred articles and none has ever been deleted. I write new articles in my sandbox space, and move them to main space only when I am certain that the topic is notable and that my work shows that through its references. And that it complies with our other policies and guidelines. Newer autoconfirmed editors can create mainspace articles if they want, but the New Pages Patrollers will take a look and they are not pushovers. Editors who write outstanding content have nothing to worry about. Editors who write mediocre, poorly referenced content ought to worry and should change their ways. Cullen328 (talk) 11:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no problem to log in on my computer, but it doesn't work on my smartphone. Could it be blocked for some reason? I deleted and downloaded the wiki app twice, but it doesn't help. What is the problem? Dall'Abaco (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What happens when you instead use a browser on your phone? -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

login via browser on iphone doesn't work neither Dall'Abaco (talk) 09:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When, using your computer, you successfully log in, are you typing in your password, or is the browser feeding Wikipedia the password you've already had the browser save for the purpose? If the latter, is it possible that, now that you're using your phone, you've misremembered the password? -- Hoary (talk) 12:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I can reach my account from every device except my iPhone. It's IP adresse is obviously blocked, so I guess. The previous history: a couple of month before I had another wiki account which worked well on every device, but I deleted it and created this one. Since that moment I can't use the mobile phone. Could it be relevant somehow? Dall'Abaco (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can't actually delete an account, you can only abandon it...do you still have the login information? Valereee (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I can‘t login there from the iPhone neither. Whatever browser I use or an app - it doesn‘t work here. But on other devices. 213.21.54.182 (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it says, the password is incorrect. When I tried to change password from the mobile it didn‘t work neither - as if no action werde done at all, and the password remained the same on other devices. Very strange. 213.21.54.182 (talk) 18:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Using another iPhone it doesn't login neither. Only on android. Dall'Abaco (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that most articles denote the letter is in Latin alphabet, but B is in Latin-script alphabet. I want to note that so you should make it sound synchronized it every alphabetical article. It is different in the lead sentence. 2001:EE0:4BC5:7AC0:3DA6:7723:C1A5:5A75 (talk) 11:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a suggestion for the article B, please make it in a formal edit request at the foot of Talk:B. (Perhaps you should rephrase "make it sound synchronized it", which makes no sense to me. Also, please explain the difference between "Latin alphabet" and "Latin-script alphabet".) -- Hoary (talk) 12:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No need to talk about. The main and visible change is the redirect to subheading and the entire article. One, for 'Latin-script alphabet', direct me to the written alphabet. Another, for 'Latin alphabet' takes me to the entire article. You can go there for verification. 2001:EE0:4BC5:7AC0:3DA6:7723:C1A5:5A75 (talk) 14:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think (and I could be wrong, because it's a bit confusing), that say A says it's is the first letter and the first vowel of the Latin alphabet, whilst B says it's of the Latin-script alphabet. Latin alphabet and latin-script alphabet are for some reason different articles. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. It could confuse the readers as what would be more correct and more precise, Latin or Latin-script. Though it looks the same, but there is actual difference in meaning. So why not figure it out now? 2001:EE0:4BC5:7AC0:3DA6:7723:C1A5:5A75 (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a better question for one of the talk pages in question, probably at talk:B, or WT:LANGUAGES. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I will do that now. 2001:EE0:4BC5:7AC0:3DA6:7723:C1A5:5A75 (talk) 14:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone fix the archiving here? It's some sort of unusual manual system, but the page hasn't been archived since sometime in 2022 and it's now at 700Kbytes. I can't even get it to load. Valereee (talk) 12:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on it. Graham87 (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Valereee (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ... I hope it all works. That page had/has ... a remarkably odd setup. I'll try to keep an eye on it. Graham87 (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all

I want to find all the pages on English Wikipedia (and later from other Wikipedias) which use references from a specific source, starting with FAO.

I've managed to work out with help that I can use this query for all articles on English Wikipedia which includes fao.org in the wikitext.

However I've realised this will miss out any references sources from FAO which don't include the URL, e.g if the reference was generated from an ISBN. I think this can be captured if it would be possible to add to the previous search to look for either fao.org or publisher=FAO on the page.

Can someone tell me how to add this to the existing query?

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to get rid of the template at the top of my page which flags up a problem with my wikipedia page 82.12.60.204 (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

we don't know who you are, you know. ltbdl (talk) 13:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Lee Wynter is NOT your Wikipedia page it is Wikipedias article about you and currently it is VERY poorly sourced to two press releases, hence the tags. Theroadislong (talk) 13:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three of the four tags on the article were inappropriately applied, so I have removed them. However, the fourth is correct - the article lacks sources. See WP:V and WP:RS. And if you are the subject of the article, please see our FAQ. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been editing a page on wikipedia --> Jensen-Group. I've been editing with information about the company from their website. I've tried to make the edits on the page twice now, but the same user called Mean As Custard has been deleting my edits and claims the content I'm adding is 'promotional or advertising material' which I believe it is not. I've only been adding facts from the company's website which are factual according to the company. The user Mean As Custard is threatening to block me from using the platform if I make the edits to the wikipedia page. What should I do? 2A02:C7C:6421:ED00:557A:F4B:3B1E:FF00 (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user User:Idabranding is editing whilst logged out, has now been blocked for promotional and undisclosed paid editing. Theroadislong (talk) 15:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several days ago, the preview feature stopped working. By "preview", I mean the setting that can be enabled by clicking the very last text string ("Edit preview settings") at the bottom of most if not all Wikipedia pages. By "stopped working", I mean that it is off by default. (It had been on for many months if not years.)

If there is a reason why the default is now off, at least please make the setting persistent. As it is, I need to click on the "Edit preview settings" string and enable it on every page. When I open a new page in Wikipedia, the new page should inherit that setting from the old page (my opinion, of course). But please restore the default of having preview enabled. Thank you. 184.169.112.59 (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi fellow IP editor - the preview feature still works exactly as it always has for me. It sounds like there may be a problem specific to the software you use to edit Wikipedia. If you head over to WP:VPT and give them the details on your setup, maybe they can pinpoint the problem. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Sad to say, I am not an editor. At the link you provided (and possibly out-of-context), I read: "Page Previews is made for readers who have no use for many Navpopups features like disambiguating links, and many other features would just be distractions to most readers. And Page Previews is designed to work for unregistered users so it has no configuration options apart from a way to disable it." Well, I am a reader and have no login, so that seems to describe me, except that preview now has no configuration option apart from a way to enable (rather than disable) it--and that option does not stick from page to page. FWIW, this is in Firefox 122.0 under macOS 11.7.10. However, based on your comment that it hasn't changed for you, I checked the Wikipedia home page in Safari, and preview is enabled in that browser, so maybe something changed in Firefox. Being a non-techy, I wouldn't know where to look. 184.169.112.59 (talk) 21:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like a problem with a cookie in Firefox. Try to delete cookies for wikipedia.org. Start by clicking the padlock icon to the left of the address bar in Firefox while you are here at wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; that seems to have fixed it. But it wasn't quite as you speculated. I always clear cookies before visiting Wikipedia, so I start with a clean slate. However, when I clicked the lock icon (thanks for that tip) and looked around, it said cookies were blocked. I went to Firefox's Manage Exceptions for cookies, and there was an entry for Wikipedia that said to block cookies. (There was an additional entry that said to allow session cookies.) I cleared all entries related to Wiki[anything], and pages no longer have the "Edit preview settings" link and I did see previews. Thank you for the suggestion to investigate cookies, and especially for the suggestion to click the lock icon. 184.169.112.59 (talk) 13:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a new account. How do I import bookmarks from my old one ? Bear2647 (talk) 19:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Bookmarks are a feature of the mobile app, and are not available in a browser, as far as I know. I don't know whether you can transfer them between accounts or not. The place to look is MW:Wikimedia Apps and its subpages (there seems to be information about bookmarks in the "Android App FAQ" and "IOS App FAQ" pages). If you can't find what you want, I suggest asking on the talk page of the appropriate FAQ page.

You could also ask at WP:VPT, but unless somebody there happens to know the answer, I suspect they'll point you to the same pages as I have done. ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest others not spend too much time on this question; they are either a sock of soon-to-be-banned Bears247 (talk · contribs), or a joe job. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bear2647: Just WP:AGFing for a moment. (yeah. I know) What was that old account? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm right here. You can threaten me directly. Are you a moderator? An admin ? Bear2647 (talk) 22:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know, Bear, it doesn't really matter whether someone asking a question is an admin. Maybe that's been the problem. Any experienced editor is worth listening to and taking seriously. Valereee (talk) 22:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an admin, not that it matters, and I'd like answer to my question to better assist you. Thanks! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CU found this Bear unrelated to that Bear. Anyway. Not sure what "closed account means," but I'm out of time and I'm hungry, so signing off. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this other account is not me. crazy to me that somebody would take the time to make a fake account in attempt to get me banned Bears247 (talk) 04:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bears247: Or just someone with exquisitely poor timing in choosing so similar a username. Or one of our LTA's having fun. I guess we'll never know. Oh, blocked. @Bear2647: Please email me the answer to what your prior account was. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The population history table for Armstrong's Point keeps appearing under the references header, regardless of its actual position in the source. I'm trying to have it under the demographics header like it is for Centennial, Winnipeg and Central Park (Winnipeg) but when displayed on a full desktop display it always appears under the References tag. It doesn't do this on the mobile app or when the page is less than a 16:9 ratio. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

Thank you, AveryTrashmouth (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's something to do with the presence of the image on the right in the §History section. Removing that image fixes the placement of the §Demographics items. DMacks (talk) 20:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I'm writing a draft and I have a problem with citing a source here. Could you help me fix it again? Thanks! ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 21:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the edit that broke things. You wrote:

<ref name=":3"

with no closing > for the tag. But there is a deeper problem. Either you are trying to define the reference named ":3", but you do not have an actual reference here, or you are trying to re-use a reference, but there is no actual ref by that name defined. What exactly do you want in that reference? DMacks (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need the 3rd reference of the list ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 21:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold up. I'm sorry, I gave the wrong link. Here's the updated page. I need the second reference of the reference list. Thanks ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 21:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MinecraftPlayer321: It appeared you both had slightly incorrect syntax for the empty ref tag and was using a name that matched the title in the cite but not the name of the ref. This diff fixes it, I believe, so you can see how it normally should be. Please let me know if I was wrong in my assumption. Skynxnex (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 00:04, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a 32 Oz bottle of facial cleanser. When I inserted the pump into bottle I can't get the pump to work. Please respond on what to do. 2601:201:8B80:67B0:8A94:8136:EBF2:BA41 (talk) 21:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for asking questions about "how to use or edit Wikipedia". Meters (talk) 21:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could try contacting the manufacturer. GoingBatty (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've read through WP:COI, but I'm struggling to figure out what I'd do in my specific scenario. I don't have any actual COIs at the moment, but I do have potential COIs that I've avoided editing. However, if I was to start editing some of these I would feel very uncomfortable publicly declaring those COIs due to many of them being specific enough that I'd be worried about my privacy - I'm very particular about what personal information I share. Would the best solution to just be to fully avoid editing articles where I have a potential COI, or is there a process for privately disclosing COIs? Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suntooooth, it's ultimately a matter of personal judgment. COI is a largely subjective spectrum, with the only hard rule being that editing for pay must be disclosed. I think in most cases, keeping one's potential biases in mind while editing and communicating with other editors is perfectly sufficient. Be bold, and if you otherwise follow site guidelines, you'll be fine. — Remsense诉 02:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, that makes sense. Thank you! Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suntooooth, best of luck, and happy editing! — Remsense诉 02:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference n. 4 presents a problem; not having added it, I don't know how to solve it. JackkBrown (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed – the last name field contained a URL instead of the author's name. Tollens (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tollens: thank you very much! JackkBrown (talk) 02:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page requires the creation of a discussion page. Everything I can do I do, frankly too much, but some (few) little things I "ask" for here; for example in this case I have never had the opportunity to create a discussion page in an article and, therefore, I never felt the need to find out how to do. JackkBrown (talk) 03:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, created, using WP:RATER. TSventon (talk) 03:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: Another way to create a discussion page is to click the red "Talk" link on the article page. You can then click the "Start a discussion" button or the "Create Source" link, add any appropriate templates and discussion, and then save. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This text doesn't seem good to me. I don't have a great knowledge of the English language; I can translate every sentence and every word of this language, but I have difficulty writing sentences from scratch. JackkBrown (talk) 02:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: I suggest you solicit input from Wikiproject Italy at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Italy, but you should be more specific about your concern rather than it just doesn't seem good. RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That article describes its subject as a type of sweetbread. It isn't; it's a type of sweet bread. Maproom (talk) 08:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the sweetbread link. You do not need to be an expert in Italian cuisine to know that Buccellato di Lucca is not a thymus gland. Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen328: of course in Italian I know what it's, but for an Italian it's easy to get confused between "sweet bread" and "sweetbread" (see this: Wikipedia:Help desk#https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buccellato_di_Lucca&diff=prev&oldid=1201517214); even the British and Americans, no offence intended, create confusion with, not a few, Italian words. JackkBrown (talk) 21:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, I think that many native English speakers are unaware of what sweetbreads even means. It is an uncommon food, at least in the United States. I have eaten it a few times in "old school" Italian restaurants in San Francisco, but is very rarely seen on menus elsewhere, in my experience. Cullen328 (talk) 21:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(In French, it's "ris de veau".) The wikilinked sweetbread makes it clear what it is. Maproom (talk) 23:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is at Oba Michael Olobayo (Obaro Ero Il). It was created by an editor whose only contributions was the article itself. I've made several cleanup edits, and unsure how to proceed. Is this the proper forum for such a discussion? I considered putting it on the articles respective talk page, but it's pretty much dead and would never be seen. Professor Penguino (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no citations it can be tagged for speedy deletion under A7. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the tag and added sources. The subject is clearly notable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Professor Penguino: On the article's talk page two wiki projects are listed. You can ask on those projects' talk pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm writing without italics all the known terms of the English language that relate to Italian food, using this dictionary: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/oinochoe. I remembered that I had previously written oinochoe and tondo in italics, so I looked these two terms up and, unfortunately for me, they appear in this dictionary. Should I delete the italics from these two pages? Is it right for me to take this dictionary literally? However, mine isn't a question about italics, but rather whether I should rely solely on the English dictionary for all cases (e.g. for Italian food it's correct, because it's a limited subject, however vast). JackkBrown (talk) 06:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:ITALICS you should be italicizing foreign words unless they're in common use in English. I think you were right to italicize oinochoe and tondo even if they're in a dictionary because they're very rarely used in English. I don't quite get your other question, but dictionaries don't have any special status as sources per WP:RS, though they are fine to cite. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HansVonStuttgart: I, actually, only use the dictionary to identify common and uncommon foods in the English language. JackkBrown (talk) 08:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the article about Timothy Busfield. The phrase "traveled frequently" in the sentence "Busfield studied drama at East Tennessee State University and traveled frequently with the Actors Theater of Louisville, which took him to Europe and Israel." What does that mean? Phong Dang (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who can tell? Perhaps the person who wrote this long, detailed, and very feebly referenced article. As there's been a "needs additional citations for verification" template atop this thing for over a decade, and as it's about a living person, I think it's high time somebody took an editorial machete to it, chopping out everything that isn't well referenced. That person could be you, Phong Dang! -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoary: I am researching more about this man's life using all other outside documents, hoping that I will find reliable sources to include in Wikipedia. Thank you for responding to my question. A good day! Phong Dang (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't it simply mean toured? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Phong Dang (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was starting recent changes patrolling, when i saw a blocked user submitting an unblock request, intrigued i went to the talk page and saw this:

Why are there accept and decline buttons? Im sure they probably dont do anything, but i wanted to know, cause i checked other unblocks and it showed the same thing. Begocci (talk) 09:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Begocci, are you still seeing that? Their block appeal has been declined, and the page looks correct in Vector 2010. I looked at the pre-decline version, and that looked okay to me as well. But it doesn't seem like you should have seen that screen at any point. You might consider asking again at WP:VPT or posting a link here from there. Mathglot (talk) 11:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, ive gone to a more recent unblock request, still shows the same two buttons and thing to fill in, and yes, if i go to an earlier revision i can still se the buttons. help?

Begocci (talk) 11:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i have absolutely no words for this, what the fuck? Begocci (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to confirm, you don't have any userscripts installed for this? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checked this and found nothing, currently disabling user scripts to check Begocci (talk) 12:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After disabling ALL my userscripts its normal (no accept/decline buttons), but i never installed something like this, do i do not know what to do. Begocci (talk) 12:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have this installed, which has this installed, which has User:Enterprisey/unblock-review.js installed. Nobody (talk) 13:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, now to go and enable everything else :D Begocci (talk) 13:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably best to just take the scripts from the base place, and not the one that has other things listed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The alphabetically ordered list of administrators shows nobody between Beetstra and Beland. But who knows: perhaps you have acquired a new power. Remember: With great power comes great responsibility. -- Hoary (talk) 12:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special:UserRights/Begocc looks normal - just extendedconfirmed. I have the same groups, and I'm not seeing the accept and decline buttons, so it's presumably an issue on Begocc's end and not with the template? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please go there and tell me your thought. 2001:EE0:4BC8:DF00:B50C:773B:1A40:16BA (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts are that you are obsessively trying to impose a rigid consistency between articles which (a) is unnecessary and (b) may be at odds with the actual factuality of letters' histories. Or it may not, but the matter is so trivial that I am not going to invest time in examining it more closely.

Speaking generally, the world is messy. Attempts to impose over-strict, over-simplified classifications on it are doomed to failure. Being myself somewhat 'rule-rigid' by nature, though not suffering from full-blown OCD, it has taken me decades to come to acceptance of this, but doing so has enabled me to discard a great deal of totally unnecessary angst: I recommend that you, too, 'loosen up.'

Those are my thoughts, like 'em or not. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.103.187 (talk) 17:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a new editor. I made a new page today that in OTHER articles has a red link Wikipedia:Red link should I begin linking the red ones to my new article Qstor2 (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qstor2, yes, you can link mentions in other articles. I assume this is 1st Maryland Cavalry, CSA. I suggest moving the article to 1st Maryland Cavalry Battalion (Confederate), following 2nd Maryland Cavalry Battalion (Confederate). TSventon (talk) 13:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks! I followed the format for a link I saw elsewhere. How do I change the format to 1st Maryland Cavalry Battalion (Confederate). Will it affect the links to the old page I did earlier today? Qstor2 (talk) 13:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qstor2, you need to move the page, see Help:How to move a page. You need a reason, you could select other reason and "consistent with 2nd Maryland Cavalry Battalion (Confederate)". 1st Maryland Cavalry, CSA will remain as a redirect, so the links you have already done will still work. TSventon (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks have a great day Qstor2 (talk) 13:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When you create an article, you can also use Edward Betts' tool which looks up other articles for the title of your article so you can review and see if you need to link those pages. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Qstor2 (talk) 17:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon (talk) sorry one more thing. How do I fix the space in the "box" on the right between Valley campaigns of 1864 and Overland Campaign? Thanks in advance. Qstor2 (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qstor2 I put all the engagements in one line as in 2nd Maryland Cavalry Battalion (Confederate), which didn't have the blank line. That fixed the problem, I am not sure why. To ping, you copy the first bit of the signature as I did here or use {{reply to|Username}} Message text. ~~~~. Unfortunately pings don't work if you get the code slightly wrong or you don't sign. TSventon (talk) 18:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For several years Ethiopian Christians have been occasionally removing this image from the Tabot page because of religious concerns about viewing a tabot uncovered. Do we have a policy which specifically addresses whether such an image can or should be used? Thanks. GordonGlottal (talk) 13:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GordonGlottal WP:NOTCENSORED is probably what you are looking for. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GordonGlottal: If it's a long-term and regular issue, ask at WP:RFPP for "long term semi protection", explaining why. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it again. I can't really argue with WP:NOTCENSORED, except that it says not to include potentially offensive material if it isn't encyclopedic, and I'm not convinced that we must (nor should) include it: there is already a picture of a covered tabot, in its intended context (as opposed to a looted artifact), and the article goes on to explain (now citing a source) that the tabot is supposed to be hidden from public view. (Perhaps to look at this another way: Wikipedia could put an autopsy or nude photo in the Infobox of an article about a celebrity, because after all WP:NOTCENSORED, but that doesn't mean we have to.) The bare tabot, as far as I can tell, is no longer in the Linden-Museum's inventory, and no longer appears on its website. I reached out to the uploader on Commons (as their image, so far as I can tell, was made available independently of the museum), but they haven't been active since 2015. If I had to guess (I don't actually know), the uncovered tabot is war loot and that's how it ended up in the museum, which has seemingly removed it from its collection (whatever the actual provenance; (add'l. edit) even if it's not war loot, then the museum ought to have given serious thought about displaying it this way, which it seems that they have). I don't think my inference is reckless; the British Museum still has a tabot (that was most assuredly war loot) in its collection, but they have removed it from display, both within the museum and on their website link. If the museums have qualms about placing stolen war booty on display, then that ought to tell us something (meanwhile, Westminster Abbey at least covered up the stolen tabot it currently holds in one of its chapels link). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gyrofrog, if there is further disagreement about the image, there should be a discussion on the article talk page,rather than via edit summaries and the Help desk. TSventon (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, this is now under discussion at Talk:Tabot#Tabot image. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An IP user has also edited the English caption to File:Ethiopia Plate of portable altar.jpg to say "IT'S OFFENSIVE AND WILL BE PUNISHED". I've raised this at C:COM:Village pump#Inappropriate caption. ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd meant to ask whether this might be a question for Commons, since that's where the images are kept. The discussion was moved to C:COM:Administrators' noticeboard#Inappropriate caption. As I noted there, another image of an uncovered tabot no longer appears in the MNW's collection, or at least not via its website (link). Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes any decision on what is deleted on Commons needs to happen on Commons. TSventon (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are Wikipedia editors so anti identifying people as Catalan and Basques instead insisting on calling them Spanish? Examples include Pep Guardiola who everyone knows is Catalan, except some individuals on Wikipedia who instead on refering to him as Spanish/Spaniard. Sure he played for Spain and has a Spanish passport but he himself clearly identifies as Catalan and closely supports the movement for Catalan independence. Any thoughts please? HackneyGlyn21 (talk) 14:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia should simply report what reliable sources say, so please check the citations. If those sources state that someone identifies as Catalan or whatever I see no reason to change that. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is some guidance at MOS:NATIONALITY, which says A 2018 RfC on Spanish regional identity in the lead resulted in consensus to use the regional identity used most often in reliable sources with which the subject identifies most. TSventon (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the featured article Adamson Tannehill, the following archive (Wayback Machine) links are dead: Notes numbers 30-33, 37, 39, 42, 45-47, 49-51, 59, 64, and 67. All are references from the Univ. of Pittsburgh Library System or the Univ. of Pittsburgh. I cannot fix the archive links. Could someone lend a hand?

Also, the archive link in number 1 is an erroneous link to someone other than Tannehill, and the number 38 archive link will not fully load. Could I get help reviving them too? I greatly appreciate the help! Tfhentz (talk) 16:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had a go with IABot but it didn't do much good and has been reverted. Quite frankly, the refs are a complete unwieldy unreadable mess and you may be wasting your time with the Wayback Machine for each specific page, especially if there is a complete online version. Reffing individual pages with their own url is essentially pointless, an example of gnomishly taking things to extremes. The Uni of Pittsburgh's own site throws up similar error messages to Wayback when I looked for the James B. Tannehill book [2]: this seems to be a problem at their end, but I found a url somehere else. There may be other websites than Uni of Pittsburgh hosting the books. I would suggest at least adding a url to the main cite, e.g.:

Tannehill, James B. (1940). [https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/2/23/Tannahill-64.pdf ''Genealogical History of the Tannahills, Tannehills and Taneyhills'']. Washington, D.C.: Gibson Bros., Inc. OCLC 1298766782.

• Tannehill, James B. (1940). Genealogical History of the Tannahills, Tannehills and Taneyhills. Washington, D.C.: Gibson Bros., Inc. OCLC 1298766782.

Or you could use {{cite book}} to create proper cites for each book in the bibliography using a single url - here's an example:

{{cite book |last=Tannehill |first=James B. |date=1940 |title=Genealogical History of the Tannahills, Tannehills and Taneyhills |place=Washington, D.C. |publisher=Gibson Bros. |oclc=1298766782 |url=https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/2/23/Tannahill-64.pdf}}

• Tannehill, James B. (1940). Genealogical History of the Tannahills, Tannehills and Taneyhills (PDF). Washington, D.C.: Gibson Bros. OCLC 1298766782.

You can then either use a simple <ref>Tannehill, pp. 41–2</ref> or use {{sfn}}s as in {{sfn|Tannehill|1940|pp=41–2}}: the latter would need consensus to change the reffing style. MinorProphet (talk) 18:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone help me insert the flatlist plainlist template (User:Belbury claims it's correct to add this template for ingredients as well, whereas I claim it should only be inserted for countries of origin) on all the foods on the list of Italian dishes page? Please. The ones that need the template are about 90/95, not many, in two or three we can do it in about ten minutes or twenty. JackkBrown (talk) 17:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't said anything about the flatlist template, only that you were wrong to characterise {{plainlist}} as "not used for ingredients" in food infoboxes. Template:Infobox food explicitly includes plainlist as an option for that field. Belbury (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the English language, is there a difference between "sweet bread" and "sweetbread"? JackkBrown (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: Yes – "sweet bread" is bread which is sweet, while "sweetbread" is, quite confusingly, meat. Tollens (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tollens: thank you very much for the clarification. JackkBrown (talk) 21:04, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tollens is definitely on the right track. "Sweetbread", normally corresponding to a word with stress on the first syllable, commonly means a kind of meat. With this meaning, it's not "compositional": if they only know the meanings of "sweet" and "bread" and an elementary fact about English grammar, people will not be able to determine this common meaning of "sweetbread". By contrast, "sweet bread", normally corresponding to stressed "sweet" followed by stressed "bread", parallels "good bread", "cheap bread", "poor bread", "fine bread", and so forth: with this meaning, it's compositional, simply meaning bread that's sweet. But there are two complications. First, English has no one recognized authority (organization, dictionary, or similar) decreeing either the meanings or the spellings of words and word sequences. Secondly, even though there are plenty of areas where most (or even all) users of English as a first language agree (and perhaps most would agree on this difference between "sweetbread" and "sweet bread"), individual people have their own idiosyncrasies of typing and so forth. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: excellent explanation, thank you very much! JackkBrown (talk) 00:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page House of X and Powers of X is not about a comic book as usual, but about two comic books ("House of X" is one, and "Powers of X" the other). They have a single article because they were published concurrently, both as part of the same comic book project, and with a story that was basically going from one to the other all the time. It would be way too confusing and with duplicate and overlapped info to write it as two articles, so it is done that way. The article's title is in italics, I understand that is caused by {{Infobox comic book title}}. However, the italics should then be for both comics, but not the "and". Is there a way to fix that? Cambalachero (talk) 03:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DISPLAYTITLE tells you how to get some more complex formatting into the displayed article title. You'll also want to add "|italic title=no" to the infobox. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's dearchivation of my topic because it's ongoing. It's under today's date to prevent the bot from archiving it again. That's maybe look like solved, but there's a not solved question anyway (about .mw-parser-output).Hello, that's my second question. Unfortunately, santizer.php restricts the use of CSS (not bans it at all but restricts it a bit) and i got some problems about that. Looks like i cannot put some rules because of

elseif ( preg_match(

'! expression

                | filter\s*:

                | accelerator\s*:

                | -o-link\s*:

                | -o-link-source\s*:

                | -o-replace\s*:

                | url\s*\‍(

                | image\s*\‍(

                | image-set\s*\‍(

                | attr\s*\‍([^)]+[\s,]+url

            !ix', $value ) ) {

return '/* insecure input */';

}

Is santizer.php looks into TemplateStyles? If yes, is that elseif looks to it? If yes (or i will cannot use they on TemplateStyles because other reasons), are there a way to use these rulesets?

Also, are there a way to put a JS into a wiki page? I can need doing that for various reasons.

Finally, are there a way to put an <embed> into a wiki page? I need doing it to run Shockwave Flash movies, really. RuzDD (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ask technical questions like this at WP:Village pump (technical).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll answer anyway. CSS: TemplateStyles is not sanitized by the specific code you copied here, but it is sanitized by other code elsewhere that imposes a similar (but not identical) set of restrictions, so what you are trying to do is unlikely to work there.

JS: Literally yes, via techniques such as WP:User scripts and gadgets, but assuming you are actually asking whether it is possible to add JavaScript that runs for each viewer of a wiki page then no because that would open up cross-site scripting attacks. WP:On-demand gadgets will hopefully soon be enabled, which would in theory allow an interface admin to set up JavaScript that runs on a given page, but in practice they won't without a very good reason.

<embed>: This is outright not possible, although of course if you are running JavaScript it could add the embed tag for you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery Your assumation is correct, i mean putting that script to that page. I hope that gadget is going to allow standard users to put their scripts at least in their user space. But, i cannot understand why CSS's are santizing because i cannot see any vulnerability at CSS's. And, i'll be happy if some embed support will come to MW, thanks. And, @Orangemike: i cannot understand it because open-source players (emulators, such as Ruffle) also can run those movies. Shcokwave Flash technology supports lots of features for very tiny storing spaces and hardware powers, i love it. Thanks. I wrote that to not that pump because that's a question right now, i think i must transfer it to the pump if that's converted to a request. I hope i understood correctly. RuzDD (talk) 04:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example CSS could load content from a third-party website thereby resulting in every viewer of a page sending their IP address to that website, a violation of privacy. That's just one example I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are more. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are users not sending their IP's to WMF anyway? (that's just the thing i wanted to do...) RuzDD (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the WMF imposes a strict privacy policy on that data, which third-party websites added through CSS (even if non-malicious) won't follow. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, it'll be very good if the WMF servers van download these data with their IP adresses and give that data to me instead of saying me "please download https://www.example.com/blabla-image.jpg". I don't care about giving my IP's to image servers but (as you say) someone can care about that and that way will make both they and i happy. RuzDD (talk) 05:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the WMF wants to operate an arbitrary reverse proxy, nor would it be a good idea even if they did. Anyway, I decline to indulge in further hypotheticals - Wikipedia doesn't support loading stuff from external sites for various reasons and this is not going to change in the future. If this is really just about an image that you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons - the sanitizer for TemplateStyles CSS does accept URLs pointing to files uploaded on Commons. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. RuzDD (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, i noticed another thing in templatestyles to ask. Why all of the rulesets are limited to .mw-parser-output? Does anyone know that? RuzDD (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is another security feature, to (mostly) ensure that CSS code can only affect the result of other wikitext and not overwrite parts of the interface (otherwise you could do * {display:none; } to make the entire page invisible, which would be a pain to investigate and fix). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery Is this a very easy escape from the security hole? Because, for example, if i want to make my "very own" user page and redesign all the interface, i cannot give z-index to some UI buttons to redesign them. I think it'll be better to limit these to .mw-parser-output only if they are containing some unsecure commands for example display, position, opacity:0, etc. Actually i even think writing * {display:none; } will not be a problem because opening developer tools and removing the style tag of the templatestyles will disable the custom styles completely and make the entire UI visible. RuzDD (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was "this" meant to link to something? It didn't.

The problem with your idea is that determining what CSS properties are dangerous in the way you describe it is an ill-defined proposition. Yes, you and I know how to circumvent rouge stylesheets, but the idea is that many people forced in such a situation will not know.

Anyway, what gives you the authority to redesign the UI for others browsers when they visit your userpage? WP:SMI would imply nothing does.

This discussion has gone far past the point of productivity - it's clear you won't accept that the current restrictions are justified and just as clear that you won't convince the people who have the authority to change them (which doesn't include me or any of the other participants in this discussion), so I won't be responding further. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That rule does not apply to all wikis, but thanks anyway (also for removing the archive). RuzDD (talk) 18:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, Wikipedia does not permit the use of proprietary formats such as Adobe Flash; you must provide content in an open-source format. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also looks like SWF is an open-source format, look at [3] there's almost every details of the format was explained. RuzDD (talk) 05:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if <embed> would be allowed Wikimedia sites do not permit displaying content from external sites, even for images. You would also need to get Flash movies as an accepted format either locally or in Commons. Considering the format is obsolete I really think it would be easier to convert the Flash movies you want into some other acceptable format like .webm and upload the converted video. MKFI (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MKFI Yes. I accept banning content from external sites, but i can't understand why Flash is not accepted. It's open source (look at 3. external link) and has open source players (for example Ruffle). It's just like MP3, licensed it past but free in now. Also, SWF files are unbeatable and converting they to webm etc without quality or interaction loss is probably impossible. For example, Flash movies can include vector graphics those can be displayed at infinite resolutions at maximum sharpness while webm cannon contain that. Also, Flash movies can include ultra-secure and private interactions (buttons, text inputs, etc) those also not supported by webm and etc. These are very secure because AS does not have JS freedom, for example it cannot be used for making an edit with that user's username without his/her permission. The user has full freedom for denying Flash Player from storing data on local computer, also Flash Player does not allow movies to access data of other domains. May some kind of interwiki SWF support (and automatic enabling of Ruffle if no installed Flash Player has detected) be enabled? RuzDD (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extra note: I really can't understand why Shockwave Flash is retired. Modern techs such as Unity runs at very lower performance than Flash for very limited experience (i tried it). I'm using Flash Player almost every day and it's the best media format i ever seen. For example, Unity does not antialias graphics, while Flash does it with very high quality and much higher speed. Also, no one can beat it for audio playing. It interpolates audio with linear interpolation instead of sinc interpolation that many media players use, so sounds being much better (16kbps MP3 sounds excellent in most times). RuzDD (talk) 10:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adobe Flash and .SWF are basically defunct formats as of 2024. It has been a long time since browsers and mobile devices routinely supported them, and it is now virtually impossible to install the Flash plug-in in a browser.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1: I can use original in-browser flash player easily (Pale Moon Web Browser is ideal for NPAPI tasks). Using Flash with Firefox and Chrome is harder but not impossible.

2: For users those don't have a Flash plugin installed, Ruffle is a good choice. Works almost perfectly with AS2 and plays media with fidelity. It's performance is lower than Flash Player but much higher than alternative techs such as Unity (i tested them). RuzDD (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RuzDD: Wikimedia takes accessibility and standards quite seriously. I honestly can't see anything that would require a user to install additional software to have much chance of being accepted. If you really wish to try, you could comment on phab:T28269. MKFI (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikimadia wikis include the Ruffle scripts (that's too easy), users will don't have to install something to run movies (go to [4] and select a movie, it'll run with a few clicks and no installations). Also, i don't know how phab works very well: what happens when a task is declined but a user finds the reason is not true? I have to create a new task? Or change priority to "Needs triage" or "Low"? RuzDD (talk) 14:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RuzDD, it seems like an enormous potential security hole and otherwise sizable engineering effort for comparatively little gain, if not for you, then in the mind of those actually maintaining the codebase. If I can be honest: this will not happen, and you shouldn't get your hopes up. — Remsense诉 14:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruffle does not contain potential security holes (both Wiki article and official website says that). There's may be different ideas about the security of original player, but if user has installed Flash Player, these "potential" security holes are already opened, even if the user does not run any SWF's. And, if the user has not installed the original player, there's no "potential" security hole. RuzDD (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As explained on [5], installing Ruffle to the website without requiring the user install something on his/her computer is easy as putting <script src="https://unpkg.com/@ruffle-rs/ruffle"></script> at the page. With this code, Ruffle will work with standard SWF inheriting way, so adding something like <embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="https://www.example.com/something.swf" width="768" height="576"> will cause the SWF to play securely and without requiring Flash Player. RuzDD (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

┌───────────────────────────┘
RuzDD,

• It's written in Rust, so it probably doesn't have unsafe memory issues, but that's not the only way software can be insecure.
• It may be conceptually easy for you, but that does not mean it's procedurally easy. Wikipedia is served to billions of people every month—every user-facing software change is an enormous deal that requires significant scrutiny.
• The operative issue being—for what gain? How many users would actively benefit from this? "Inadequately many" would be my guess.

— Remsense诉 00:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense I think too many users will get advantage from that. For example, if you look at PNG, you will see a PNG example in the top of screen. If the Flash support comes, you also can see a few example Flash movies in the Adobe Flash and Ruffle articles. Also, it will be the only video format that allows both vector graphics and sounds in the wikis. Interactivity is also an enormous benefit, for example users can press the +/- buttons to change the picture for easier quality comparisons on JPEG article (SWF format supports JPEG). And, about technical side: It have two parts. The first part is a bit harder, but the second part is very easy. First part: Commons must accept files in SWF format. I'm not sure how to do that but i think this must not be too hard. Second part: Wikis must be able to run SWF's in ruffle. That's just a easy process (of course must be tested on test wiki firstly). Just an interface sysop must put $("div.wiki-swflash-container").html("<embed type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\""+$(this).attr("id")+"\" style=\"width:100%;height:100%;margin:0px;\">");var swfo=false;try{swfo=Boolean(new ActiveXObject('ShockwaveFlash.ShockwaveFlash'));}catch(exception){swfo=('undefined'!=typeof navigator.mimeTypes['application/x-shockwave-flash']);}if(!swfo){mw.loader.load("https://unpkg.com/@ruffle-rs/ruffle");}/*If the Flash Player is already installed, Ruffle emulator will not be activated.*/ to a common JS page (looks like JQuery is already installed here), and SWF movies will run with just typing <div class="wiki-swflash-container" id="path/to/file.swf" style="width:768px;height:576px;"></div> (use ID as SRC attribute and indicate width&height in CSS level). RuzDD (talk) 03:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And, about security: Yes, that's not only way of "potential" security issues, but everything can have "potential" security issues. With Ruffle, Flash does not contain "potential" security issues more than webm and other formats contains. RuzDD (talk) 04:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what to do with a declined phab task that is declined with an invalid/wrong reason? Changing priority to Needs triage or Low or creating a new task? RuzDD (talk) 03:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RuzDD, there is a reason there is not a felt need for both vector graphics and sounds in the wikis. The viable use cases of both animation and sound on Wikipedia is already very limited, never mind both at once.
Wait—are you suggesting that the library is meant to enable the authorship of new Flash files, and not just the playback of historical ones? No one wants to make new Flash animations—it's a dead, proprietary format. It's an accessibility and flexibility nightmare. I'm now trebly convinced that this suggestion will not be going anywhere, unfortunately. — Remsense诉 12:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense Ruffle is not making new movies, but there's someone who accepts making new movies via original program: me! Also, it's not dead and not limited to only archive.org etc.: go to [6] and click "main" or "games" in the bottom, then you'll see Ruffle containers everywhere.

An example to great benefit of Flash in articles: Go to palette (computing). You'll see a video on the right side that shows different palette sizes, but due to it's almost impossible to change palette size manually, it's hard to see differences. Assume it's an interactive SWF: you will be able to change palette size manually to see differences.

Advantages of SWF format are undeniable, and both the article&official website says Ruffle does not contain any more security issues. Second part of installation is easy (i gave the tested code), and first part of it must not be very hard. I think it's worth giving it a chance. RuzDD (talk) 13:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The format is proprietary and defunct—that alone disqualifies it from consideration. Remsense诉 16:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see a rule like "officially retired formats cannot be used on wikis". What to do with a phab request if it's declined but the reason is wrong? RuzDD (talk) 18:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RuzDD, it's not a rule but I'm telling you that's the reason it won't happen. Again, you are one of the few people working in this proprietary, defunct format, and you want to make a change that will affect billions of people by default. Even if it seems minor and easy for you, it simply is not. — Remsense诉 18:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks, i hope i can make all of the technical stuff ready to make enabling that very easy and secure. I hope these codes will not get lost in the archives. RuzDD (talk) 19:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Здравствуйте. Подскажите, пожалуйста, как можно удалить статью о человеке из википедии? Статья обо мне и я хочу удалить

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зюзин,_Александр_Викторович 83.69.214.109 (talk) 06:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Above, via Google Translate: "Hello. Please tell me how can I delete an article about a person from Wikipedia? Article about me and I want to delete")

This is the help desk for the English-language Wikipedia - we have no control over Russian-language Wikipedia content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The RU wiki help desk is at ru:Википедия:Форум/Вопросы RudolfRed (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Aleksandr Viktorovich/IP 83.69.214.109. The article about you is present on five Wikipedias, including the article Aleksandr Zyuzin here at English Wikipedia. If you wish to propose this article for deletion here, please see WP:PROD, and if that doesn't work, WP:Articles for deletion. English Wikipedia has no control or influence over what happens at other language Wikipedias, and you will have to contact them independently:

• Egyptian Arabic: arz:اليكساندر زيوزين – please see arz:ويكيبيديا:نقاش المسح for deletion instructions
• Polish: pl:Aleksandr Ziuzin – please see pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia for deletion instructions
• Russian: ru:Зюзин, Александр Викторович – please see ru:Википедия:К удалению for deletion instructions
• Spanish: es:Alexandr Ziuzin – please see es:Wikipedia:Consultas de borrado mediante argumentación for deletion instructions

Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 10:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to install the button (?) at the top of a mainspace page that with a click connects to its Wikidata item. I work in numerous language projects - can I enable this globally or must do so individually? -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Deborahjay On the default WP:VECTOR22 skin there should already be a menu item on the right of article text which links to the Wikidata item for that article. It is in the section called "General", which includes "What links here" etc. I'm not sure how non-English versions of Wikipedia handle this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Deborahjay: You can. See d:User:Pigsonthewing/Setup#On_Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it OK to start a move request for Cleanse (album) to DRAFT space after the AFD? The article still has only one reference. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677 The Talk Page of the article now has a number of other possible sources. Since the outcome of the AfD was "keep", I think that the best thing to do now is to actually incorporate the new sources. That will be more likely to happen in mainspace than in draft space. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I recently created the biographical article on actress Isabelle McNally. I understand that there's a Wikipedia page about her on the Spanish-language Wiki. How do I link the two pages together? The Film Creator (talk) 15:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You do so in Wikidata. If you are using the default skin on a browser, then there is a button "Add languages" at the top right, which you can pick and that will take you to the Wikidata item. I'm not sure how you do it on other platforms, but WP:ILL will probably help. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Film Creator: You can also do so within the English Wikipedia article by going to the Tools menu and clicking "Add interlanguage link". GoingBatty (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you recommend any services to help start a page ? Sugarpantsjohnson (talk) 16:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sugarpantsjohnson If you mean a service that will make a WP-article for money, no. Wikipedians are reasonably convinced pretty much any such service is a scam. Try to start with WP:BACKWARD, WP:YFA and, on how to edit in general, WP:TUTORIAL. The answer to "Can I create a WP-article about X?" is often "no." More derails at WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is without reference since 2003. JackkBrown (talk) 18:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So find some. Are there references within the two cited books? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more with Martin's comment. Try searching for the relevant information yourself, work out how to create references (see WP:Referencing for beginners) and do something useful for a change rather than obsessing over the usage of italics in a language which by your own admission you don't speak very well. MinorProphet (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MinorProphet: in fact, I use English dictionaries to find out which foods should be written in cursive and which should not; it's now something I do independently, and I no longer have any difficulty with it; however, I'm free to concentrate on what I want, if for now I prefer to take care, on my own, without asking anyone, only of the cursive, as long as I respect the rules no one can tell me to stop. In any case, there's no harm in implicitly asking for references to be added (if nobody will do it, I will do it, but not today, or even this month). JackkBrown (talk) 20:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: There were over 110,000 articles in Category:All articles lacking sources before you added this article to the list. There's nothing wrong with adding {{unreferenced}} to the article. Once you do that, please don't announce it. You may ask more detailed questions at the article's talk page. If you don't receive sufficient responses there after a week, you may ask the related WikiProjects to join the talk page discussion. GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, i was trying to add a Wikilink to a License Plate Region Code (for consistency) in the Page of a village in Germany but could not find how to edit the Region Code in the Infobox. The Page only contains the (correct) Region Code information in the German version. Thank you MS242 (talk) 21:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The parameter in Template:infobox German place appears to be called "licence" (or "license" or "Kfz"). ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I CTRL+F searched the source code for "Kfz", "license" and "licence" with no results. Also there was nothing similliar to this in the Visual Editor. Would you mind taking a look and explaining me how i can add/edit the Region Code. MS242 (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Template used by This Page is not Template:Infobox German place it is Vorlage:Infobox Gemeinde in Deutschland [7]. Your linked Template is the english (possibly) extended version. MS242 (talk) 22:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, already tired :). Its just another version, not the english one.MS242 (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MS242: You twice linked Krailling in the English Wikipedia. That page uses Template:Infobox German place. Are you now saying it is actually de:Krailling in the German Wikipedia you want to edit? This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia languages often have different templates with different parameters and functionality. We occasionally try to answer questions about other Wikipedia languages to be helpful but then you must make it clear which language and article you are asking about, and it's better to ask at a help page in that language. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, sorry about that. I linked it over the Searchbar function not thinking it would be showing the english Version. Would you mind linking me the german help page because i cant seem to find it. Thanks for your help MS242 (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MS242: This page is at the English Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org so normal wikilinks stay here. The German Wikipedia is at de.wikipedia.org. Click "languages" at the top right of this page and then "Deutsch" to get the German version of this page de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia. It works the same for articles and help pages when there is a version in another language. I took a look. If you click the Edit tab at top of a page then the bottom shows a list of transcluded pages, "Folgende Vorlagen werden von diesem Artikel verwendet" in German. de:Krailling uses de:Vorlage:Infobox Gemeinde in Deutschland which uses data in de:Vorlage:Metadaten Kfz-Kennzeichen DE which says:

| 09188 = STA, [[Liste aller deutschen Kfz-Kennzeichen mit einer Gebietseinteilung#WOR|WOR]] <!-- Landkreis Starnberg-->

You didn't say which link you want to make but I note that STA does not have an entry in de:Liste aller deutschen Kfz-Kennzeichen mit einer Gebietseinteilung. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter Ok, Thank you. I just didn't understand that the Regional Code was linked in the Metadata instead of just in the Site. My Mistake for linking the English Version Instead of the Version i wanted to edit.

I have added "STA" to de:Liste aller deutschen Kfz-Kennzeichen mit einer Gebietseinteilung. and also edited the Metadata. Thank you MS242 (talk) 15:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does editing a series of webpages related to one company is consider a conflict of interest? An administrator left me a message that I have a conflict of interest due to editing at a fast pace of RAI topics since creating the account.

I told the administrator that I do not have a conflict of interest but the administrator did not believe I didn't had a conflict of interest. Soafy234 (talk) 00:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soafy234, no, a conflict of interest is when you have reason to edit the article in a non-neutral manner. For example, if you are an employee of the company, you know the owner, a relative founded it, etc.

Administrator Rosguill thinks you have a conflict of interest because you are rapidly editing articles related to a company. Many companies and people hire Wikipedia editors to, against the Terms of Service, edit the article to promote themselves (WP:UPE) and Rosguill thinks your account was created for this purpose. Of course, if you do not have a conflict of interest, your contributions are welcome, but try to stay away from company articles etc to avoid suspicion. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your response to my question. I just think that basing it off of edits and rapidly editing company related articles shouldn't suspect an administrator to think or to suspect that a user has a conflict of interest. I do think a better methodology should be examined in the near future to avoid false cases of suspicious that a user has a conflict of interest. This is just my opinions and thoughts on the matter. Soafy234 (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your concern, but we get hundreds and hundreds of edits per day, quite a few of them as Sungodtemple desribes; and all our editors and administrators are volunteers, who have only so much time to give to the project. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are proposing that we abandon one of the most obvious and high-yield ways of spotting COI editors and illicit paid editing because it might theoretically generate some false positives? Ain't gonna happen. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point that the current methodology works for now. I am just stating my opinion and thoughts on the current method.

As I said earlier, I do not have a conflict of interest on RAI related topics/webpages (whatever term people want to use). I prefer translating things from one language to another language as needed. While my edit history doesn't show that yet, it eventually will.

Additionally, people can watch recordings of most of what is broadcasted on RAI Channels through raiplay.it through guided replay (though sports replay and tv show episodes replays may not be allowed to be rewatched due to copyright concerns and such). So I do vet information through this website before putting it onto the English webpage wikipedia version incase the Italian webpage wikipedia version is outdated and/or someone mis-stated a fact.

I just noticed something was outdate on TG3 but I am afraid Roseguill will open up a WP:COIN on me as it is a RAI related topic, as they (this is Roseguill's pronouns) think I may have a COI even though I do not. I just am a "nerd" and have an interest on Rai related topic as I started watching this program at home in the United States back in 2015-ish.

As ColinFine said, we volunteer our time to edit. Back in 2015, I didn't even think to start editing for Wikipedia. But when I noticed that most Italian shows don't have a webpage here, I wonder -- when will someone have time to do it and/or update them? That is where I wanted to contribute because it never going to get done on it own without the help of someone.

So in short, I do not have a conflict of interest on one group of pages related together such as RAI. Even though Roseguill suspects I do based on me rapidly editing them together, it just something that I had the idea of and hopefully people will appreciate it at some point in time. Soafy234 (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I found an archived website from Paste that stated the song as a "peppy punk dance rocker". So if I put that in the genres, should I put that as Dance-punk or Dance-rock? Iamthegoat524 (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither, if you only have that one source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh so I can't use both of those, okay. What about the word "punk" that's left there. Iamthegoat524 (talk) 03:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iamthegoat524: Hi there! Adding/changing genres in song articles can be contentious. The best place to ask about this is at Talk:Pump It Up (Elvis Costello song), with a link to the source. GoingBatty (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I was wondering if there was a way to create diferent categories in ones profile to save and classify articles, for example one of read articles, one pending reading, one to periodically keep an eye on and so forth. Thank you. Aekir (talk) 02:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories aren't the best way to do this, but you could just make a bulleted text list of articles you want to work on, a separate one for what you've read, etc. You can do that in different sub pages in your userspace if you would like, instead of on the same page. You can also use your watch list to keep an eye on specific articles. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anywhere to go to get a second opinion on if a topic is notable enough for an article? I really don't like the idea of things I work on getting deleted due to my carelessness so I want to be very sure before I make something that it is suitable for inclusion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you haven't already, it may be helpful to check out Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines. There's also a lot of sub-guidelines linked in the sidebar of that page that may provide further information in specific topic areas such as films, people, or sports. TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've read them, and I'm quite familiar and I believe I understand them well generally especially in the areas I most often edit in, but I'm confused when it comes to a few things like locations, especially when it comes to what constitutes "significant coverage" of these locations (I'm not talking about specific cities or legally recognized populated places, in this case it is 1) a specific square and 2) a military base) PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can try here, Teahouse, related Wikiproject talkpages, etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A problem is that these places are arguably most notorious for a specific thing happening there (in both cases, given my topic of interest, extremely notorious crimes). I'm wondering if they are perhaps separately notable from the events that occurred there. Both are in South Africa because my interest has focused on that lately.

Location 1 -

Strijdom Square (later renamed Lilian Ngoyi square) - partial site of the 1988 Strijdom Square massacre. Originally named after an apartheid supporting PM, later renamed after an anti-Apartheid activist.

A few sources:

• The geography and history of the square was discussed quite at length in this:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/951/3/MonumentalspacePDF.pdf however this is also about the shooting so I'm not sure that really counts, but it is really in depth
• https://www.news24.com/news24/giant-strijdom-statue-smashed-20010531
• https://mg.co.za/article/2004-01-14-pretorias-strijdom-square-to-be-renamed/
• discussed here
• on rename/rebuilding https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/pretoria-square-to-cost-r100m-1486867

Tempe military base - I think this is more likely to be notable than the square, as it was the site of a bunch of different things happening there and so many, many controversies, but is probably most notable for the article I just made, 1999 Tempe military base shooting.

A few sources

• https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/tempe-military-bases-history-of-scandal-13052
• https://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/free-state/knives-vs-guns-on-free-state-army-base-1905610
• https://www.news24.com/news24/community-newspaper/express-news/arms-smuggling-probed-20230905
• a seemingly decent amount of Google books hits, though I'm not sure how many of these are reliable here

Do you think an article is worth having on either of these two locations? PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could of course also go to a Wikiproject that is the same topic as the article. If you are worried about creation and deletion, you can also go through WP:AFC. My thoughts are if it's borderline, collect up the sources and see what youve got. Either you'll have basically no material, or you might have quite a few in depth pieces. If this is not true, a small couple of sentence article on the subject with all of the sources involved put into AfC will basically ask someone else to judge it. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I create a wikipedia page for my company? 49.205.174.88 (talk) 07:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that you're the owner or an employee of the company, it's not recommended as you would have a conflict of interest and likely wouldn't be able to maintain a neutral point of view. If you believe that your company is notable enough for an article, I suggest adding it to Wikipedia's requested article database for another user to create. However, if you do insist on creating it yourself, you should create a new draft article and then submit it to the articles for creation process to be reviewed by an impartial editor. TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a bug in Dark Mode. It doesn't handle banners, right now there is Wiki Love Folklore banner that is not reversed back to normal colors like all images. I can fix the code but I'm not sure if I edit the file linked on the page if the Dark Mode will be fixed, since the CSS file is loaded from PHP (load.php file) not from Wiki. jcubic (talk) 10:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jcubic presumably at Wikipedia talk:Dark mode (gadget). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sungodtemple: thanks, didn't notice that there is active Talk page. jcubic (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources in Italian are rather confusing, at least the ones I have found: when is it correct to write, for example, "northeast", and when, instead, "north-east"? Page: Casoncelli. JackkBrown (talk) 14:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, I think there is a mistake in your question, you have put "north-east" twice. TSventon (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: fixed. JackkBrown (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown: Does MOS:COMPASS answer your question? GoingBatty (talk) 15:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty: so practically both variants are correct, however I much prefer the version without the hyphen. JackkBrown (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy!

I'm doin' reference work on the page Newspaper endorsements in the 2008 United States presidential primaries, and after goin' at it for a while and lookin' over issues that had been raised on the talk page, I realized there were some disagreements over what exactly belonged on the list. I can parse some of these issues pretty clearly, but there is one thing that I'm not sure there's a consensus on: Does an endorsement from the founder or lead editor constitute an endorsement from the paper? I personally considered the answer to be yes, but then I read an endorsement from the co-founder of the North Coast Journal in which she distinguishes her own opinions from that of the paper as an entity.

Personally, I can see an argument from both sides. An individual person is an individual person, but it's also reasonable to assume that someone who founded a paper or was in charge of its contents would be a mouthpiece for it. A fair few of the editors of the wiki page itself seem to think so, too, based on what was listed there when I arrived.

Has there ever been some kind of discussion on this laid out somewhere? Am I just bein' too much of a stickler? I know that "political endorsements in publications" has gotta be a pretty niche field, but if there's any place where this has been brought up, I'd appreciate any pointers or insight.

Thanks in advance! ~Judy _{(call it in!)} 20:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]