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The only line that has something to do with the lemma is: "The bodies were then discovered". Furthermore all the sources make reference to the Nemmersdorf massacre and not this event. As it is, this is just a lemma to showcase a gruesome picture, but without encyclopedic value. noclador (talk) 13:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I hate this type of case. The article is sourced, but many of them I either cannot read or cannot obtain. How, then, are we properly to judge? I certainly can find mention of this incident in Google, but when you exclude Wikipedia there are few reliable sources, but rather POV forks on WWII. The nominator is absolutely correct about the current state of the article. I suppose that since the onus is on the article to show proper sourcing of each of its claims (at least the ones that aren't common knowledge) I would strip it of all assertions that lack citations - making it a true stub - and label it for WP:MILHIST. Xymmax (talk) 14:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand German very well and I can say: the websources that are there do not even mention this event - only the events at Nemmersdorf. And very telling: the website that does not work mentions "Junge Freiheit" (a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly) and when I google the names of the people there I come to Nazi pages, revisionist pages that dare to list this "event" alongside Auschwitz and Dresden... The only good link I found was to this book review about the book by Bernhard Fisch, that proves that the whole event was staged by the Nazis to scare the people into fighting. --noclador (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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	*'''Comment'''. I hate this type of case. The article is sourced, but many of them I either cannot read or cannot obtain. How, then, are we properly to judge? I certainly can find mention of this incident in Google, but when you exclude Wikipedia there are few reliable sources, but rather POV forks on WWII. The nominator is absolutely correct about the current state of the article. I suppose that since the onus is on the article to show proper sourcing of each of its claims (at least the ones that aren't common knowledge) I would strip it of all assertions that lack citations - making it a true stub - and label it for [[WP:MILHIST]]. [[User:Xymmax\|Xymmax]] ([[User talk:Xymmax\|talk]]) 14:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)		*'''Comment'''. I hate this type of case. The article is sourced, but many of them I either cannot read or cannot obtain. How, then, are we properly to judge? I certainly can find mention of this incident in Google, but when you exclude Wikipedia there are few reliable sources, but rather POV forks on WWII. The nominator is absolutely correct about the current state of the article. I suppose that since the onus is on the article to show proper sourcing of each of its claims (at least the ones that aren't common knowledge) I would strip it of all assertions that lack citations - making it a true stub - and label it for [[WP:MILHIST]]. [[User:Xymmax\|Xymmax]] ([[User talk:Xymmax\|talk]]) 14:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

			:: I understand German very well and I can say: the websources that are there ''do not even mention'' this event - only the events at Nemmersdorf. And very telling: the website that does not work mentions "Junge Freiheit" (a extreme rightwing/nationalist German weekly) and when I google the names of the people there I come to Nazi pages, revisionist pages that dare to list this "event" alongside Auschwitz and Dresden... The only good link I found was to this book review about the book by Bernhard Fisch, that proves that the whole event was staged by the Nazis to scare the people into fighting. --[[User:Noclador\|noclador]] ([[User talk:Noclador\|talk]]) 15:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)