User talk:Nmate: Difference between revisions

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Hello, Nmate, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hi. You might be interested in checking out the Wikipedia:Hungarian Wikipedians' notice board. All Wikipedians interested in Hungary or subjects somehow related to Hungary are invited to use this noticeboard as a tool for better organizing their activities, making announcements to others with similar interests, and discussing any actual issues related to their work on Wikipedia. You are welcome to add this notice board to your watchlist, so that you could see when it is updated and thus take part in any projects, initiatives, and improvements relating to articles about Hungary. Also, you are welcome to report your own articles here so they could be peer-reviewed and expanded by other contributors. Hobartimus (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding more famous people to the Kosice article. Next time, could you add only persons with their own article in Wikipedia please? We are trying to avoid the so-called "red links" (i.e. links to non-existing articles) or names without any link. Another possibility is to create an article for each person you add. For example, Róza Déryné Széppataki would be a good candidate for a new article. If you happen to have any more information about here, you can click on the red link to her name and create a new article. Also the description of the person and his/her connection to Kosice in the list of famous people should be as short as possible. That is why MarkBA and I have copyedited your edit. Cheers. Tankred (talk) 16:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively you can simply delink the name (write it witout the [[) Róza Déryné Széppataki would look like Róza Déryné Széppataki without the link. I would also add that while red links are sometimes avoided that is not always the case for example I could count about 100 red links(just a guess) in the List of Slovaks Hobartimus (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we usually do not mention people without an article in Wikipedia in articles about cities and towns. List of Slovaks and other similar lists are full of red links in order to encourage people to write new articles. Articles about cities and towns do not serve this purpose. Red links and delinked names of non-notable people usually prevent an article about a city to achieve a higher status (GA or FA). This practice is strongly discouraged in this type of articles. Tankred (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it can serve the same purpose it's that the city articles are more visible and they can help more with starting new articles. Red links do motivate people to at least start a stub on the person. And if some peoples' eyes are 'hurt' by red links they can still be easily de-linked. Hobartimus (talk) 20:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you do not believe, try to nominate an article for GA or FA. You will see how it works. Tankred (talk) 02:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I know you have made your edits in good faith and I do not want to be discouraging or something, but your today's edits were written in a very bad English and it was sometimes really difficult to figure out what exactly you meant. It took a lot of time to copyedit them. There are also two other points I would like to make: First, the history section of Kosice is supposed to be a short overview and it would be nice if you could think more about your additions in terms of the overall length of an article. What I mean is that a significant part of the section now talks about how Kosice changed hands in the turbulent 17th century. I left it there, but I am sure someone else will cut that paragraph because this kind of information is not very interesting for an English-speaking reader. The overall story and quality of prose are paramount here. Second, you did not provide any citations. Please read WP:CITE and apply it. It is one of the main pillars of this encyclopedia. Again, I do not want do discourage you from editing the English Wikipedia, but it would be perhaps a good idea to spend some time in the Hungarian Wikipedia first and familiarize yourself with the system. Writing an English encyclopedia requires a reasonably good command of English. Tankred (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding properly formatted citations templates. But, unfortunately, sister Wikipedias in other languages are not considered reliable secondary sources here. So, please do not cite the Hungarian Wikipedia. Instead you are more than welcome to cite verifiable published works, such as books and articles (as you have already done on several occasions). Cheers. Tankred (talk) 00:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I'm concerned that you might feel harassed by this user whose action might be in violation of Wp:AGF, WP:HAR, WP:BITE, WP:NPA. This user openly(!) admits having prejudice against "most but not all" Hungarians (diff [1]) and refers to the mere presence of Hungarian editors as a "difficulty" and that he sees his own editing as "keeping them (sic) at bay" (diff [2]). Since you are a new user it is imperative that actions possibly intended to discourage you from editing not be allowed. Also please remember to try to remain calm and try not to react to any possible provocation or harassment coming from other editors. Hobartimus (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hobartimus! You are right.Nmate

Hobartimus, you are misrepresenting facts as always. What I should do when you have done more damaging edits in sum than I did? I find this intolerable. Please stop harassing me.

Since you are not only a new user but as far as I can tell one that's having some problems with language barriers it would be a good idea to indicate this to other editors. Your actions might be completely misunderstood because of language difficulties or it might be assumed that an edit is vandalism or was made in bad faith when in fact it was a bad choice of words. It's also good to indicate it to others the need to use simple English as far as they are able when communicating with you to ensure better understanding. You can do this by placing a language template on your user page user:Nmate. Hobartimus (talk) 20:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A template would look like this

to place it you can type {{user en-2}} or whatever level is good for you. Hobartimus (talk) 20:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat: adding POV tags without proper explanation is vandalism. You have stated something like "because I want". An equivalent would be if I'd put POV tags across Hungarian articles. Why do you refuse to answer to questions? Are you even interested in making a better encyclopedia? MarkBA ^{what's up?/my mess} 11:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think these may be cited. At the first one I don't know who the author is, so from the first reference it would probably be better to use the sources the author used (see literature at the bottom of the page).
This is a good article, so I'd start with the reference from the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. Squash Racket (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear whoever-you-are, I don't know what you are talking about, but I don't know any Mark here, but your edits are only your propaganda and that's not nice. I may only suggest you to download this game, where you can do your rage against someone you hate instead of here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.99.176.151 (talk) 18:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 15:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nmate, I'll try to more straight-forward. What exactly do you find wrong with Bratislava Castle? I mean specific wording, not a vague "it's biased" complaint. Whatever it is, start at a section at Talk:Bratislava Castle and write it out. If people know what your specific issue is, then people can discuss it. Simply claiming that it is biased is not going to get you anywhere. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to see what I mean, compare the original complaint and what I started work at Talk:Hedvig Malina. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Slow down a bit, patience is needed; this encyclopedia won't be perfect in a couple of weeks, there will always be things you might not like
• Use talk pages for discussion (at least an attempt) before/while adding templates
• Careful edit summaries focusing only on the changes you make
• Always cite reliable sources with inline citations, so that your edits remain in the article
• Start new articles about something notable to learn to write good articles: how to cite, categories, sources, layout etc. (You can find red links for example at Budapest, Hungary etc.)
  

Squash Racket (talk) 05:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All right. Nmate (talk • contribs)

No need to comment on that. Warn him to stop it (and/or report him at WP:ANI). It's just not worth it, he deletes it from his talk page anyway. As you can see, Tankred has already tried to get you blocked.

Just make your additions using reliable references, everything will be OK. Squash Racket (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All right. Nmate (talk • contribs)

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 19:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nmate, I have yet to see an attempt to the article talk pages. Continuing to edit on the page and edit-warring could result in blocks. Otherwise, I am not interested in playing games with everyone. I blocked User:84.47.32.229 because of how aggressive he's been, but, honestly, you are going to get pushed around here unless you take of things yourself. If you are annoyed with some else's edits, use the warning templates on their talk page and then report it to WP:AIV. If it is appropriate, the person will be blocked. Be prepared that if you are the one who initiated it (or it is equal), you could be blocked as well. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC) All right Nmate[reply]

She didn't speak on her cell phone, so don't insert this back, OK? She didn't remember if she had spoken on the cell phone or to someone on the street after feeling dizzy because of the beating. She most probably gave directions to a Hungarian couple in a car.

Slow down, read the whole article, look at the talk page, read about it. The article is factually correct right now, so only make changes if you are absolutely sure. Don't talk to other editors in edit summaries, they will only use it against you. Squash Racket (talk) 08:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

O.K. Nmate

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: User talk:MarkBA. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks_and_harassing_by_Nmate. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if he is uncivil to you, do not respond in kind. You should review Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Nmate which, although it veered off, still applies. You'll see that his comments were criticized as well. -- 19:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Please, can you explain what exactly is false in the information removed in this diff? What is wrong with Ján Andrej Segner or Rudolf Vrba for example?! I do not think editing like this is bold, but I have hard time finding appropriate yet civil name for that. --Ruziklan (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since it is obvious that I have become too involved, I have asked for other admins to comment at WP:ANI. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're also involved in the Hungarian counties reverting circus, see the discussion at Talk:Kingdom of Hungary#Disputed edits in articles about counties. Markussep ^Talk 09:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I favour Hobartimus opinion. Nmate

Ehmm, Hobartimus didn't give his opinion (says he doesn't have the time to), so all we have is his versions of the articles. Markussep ^Talk 07:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I just changed Jadviga back to Hedviga on the Hedvig Malina article. Whether this is the correct Slovak version of the name doesn't particularly matter - in most sources of Slovak origin Hedviga is used. We should just copy their usage so that people reading them and Googling for more information can find the right article - as you can see here the Jadviga form is practically unheard of. Best, Knepflerle (talk) 12:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stop using personal attacks in the edit summaries as you did here [3], here [4] and here [5]. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 09:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add WikiProject Hungary to the places currently located in the Slovakia or other countries. It is a long time consensus that this doesn't lead to anything then frustration and edit wars. There are hundreds places that could belong to other WikiProjects, wikiproject doesn't establish base for ownership, please remember that. It doesn't make any sense to put for example WikiProject Austria into all places in Hungary and vice versa. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 10:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i was asked to not to harm them, so WP:IGNORE, leave them alone --Rembaoud (talk) 12:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to articles like Žilina and Trnava are not very constructive to say the least. A few examples:

• In the Trnava article, you replaced "Magyarisation" with "industrialization" about 10 times (examples: [6], [7], [8], [9]) since 6 April. Do you really deny that there was a policy in the Kingdom of Hungary of imposing Hungarian language and culture, and discouraging the use of other languages (e.g. in education)? Your message on the [10] is not very convincing.
• In the Žilina article, you replaced "Slovak inhabitants" with "nomad intruder Slav tribes" [11], [12], [13], [14] and [15] 5 times, and after you admitted that these edits were injurious [16] you started replacing "Slovaks" with "Hungarians" [17], although the Privilegium pro Slavis document itself (see Slovak translation here) says "Slovaks". Or is that an ancient term for "Hungarians"?
• This edit to the Trenčín article is nothing more than vandalism, what's the use of replacing the etymology section with the opening line? Calling people "miserable clone" isn't very civil either.

I urge you to stop your disruptive edits immediately. Otherwise you will get blocked sooner or later. Markussep ^Talk 18:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can imagine that you don't see your own edits as disruptive (although you said yourself that they were a bit injurious). But the fact that they are instantly reverted should give you a clue. You could at least discuss the disputed parts, without calling people names. I admit I'm not a historian and I don't live in the area, but I know enough about Central European history to see that these edits are biased, to say the least. Markussep ^Talk 12:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing, could you refrain from using foreign languages in your edit summaries? Markussep ^Talk 12:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should read Wikipedia:Etiquette. If someone is uncivil to you, that's not a valid excuse to be uncivil to them. What is this "Netherland nation is not exist" supposed to mean? What happened after WW2 (I suppose that's what your numbers refer to) is not the issue here, we don't deny that the Beneš decrees existed. The Magyarization policy of the Kingdom of Hungary after 1870 is well known, if you deny it that says more about you than about Slovaks. Markussep ^Talk 13:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nmate, I echo the concerns of some of the other editors here, that your comments, especially some of your edit summaries, have not been civil. I think that you will find that your voice will have more weight in your arguments, if you keep your comments polite. --Elonka 18:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a centralized discussion page at User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment. If you have concerns about the behavior of editors or the way that certain articles are being edited, please post them there. Thanks, Elonka 06:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Elonka 07:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]