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The contentious topic restriction was imposed (or last renewed) more than a year ago and:
- the restriction was imposed by a single administrator, or
- the restriction was an indefinite block.

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Any administrator who revokes or changes a contentious topic restriction out of process (i.e. without the above conditions being met) may, at the discretion of the Arbitration Committee, be desysopped.

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Uninvolved administrators at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") and uninvolved editors at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") should revoke or modify a contentious topic restriction on appeal if:

the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
the action was not reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption when first imposed, or
the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption.

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the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
the action represents an unreasonable exercise of administrative enforcement discretion, or
compelling circumstances warrant the full Committee's action.

^ The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.
^ This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
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Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped.

Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied.

Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction placed by a former administrator, the administrator who made the modification becomes the "enforcing administrator". If a former administrator regains the tools, the provisions of this section again apply to their unmodified enforcement actions.

Important notes:

For a request to succeed, either

(i) the clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN or

(ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA

is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.

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FergusM1970

FergusM1970 (talk · contribs) blocked 24 hours and topic-banned from articles within the scope of WP:TROUBLES for three months. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning FergusM1970

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Mo ainm~Talk 10:11, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: FergusM1970 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles#Final remedies for AE case

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

09:08, 6 December 2011 Revert #1 to FergusM1970's version
09:33, 6 December 2011 Revert #2 to FergusM1970's version
09:49, 6 December 2011 Revert #3 to FergusM1970's version
09:58, 6 December 2011 Revert #4 to FergusM1970's version
10:03, 6 December 2011 Revert #5 to FergusM1970's version

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on 09:43, 6 December 2011 by Mo ainm (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Edit warring against consensus and against multiple editors. My offer for him to self-revert and avoid being reported was met with this and revert #4. Since starting this request editor has now made a fifth revert in a 24 hour period..

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notification of this request

Discussion concerning FergusM1970

Statement by FergusM1970

The city is called Londonderry. That's it's legal name. There is no dispute about this, therefore it's ridiculous for people to insist that the nickname "Derry" is given prominence over the actual name. Multiple editors acting together to force me to either break 3RR or leave false information in an article is abusive. I request that the users who have reverted my edits are required to prove that the city is NOT properly named Londonderry, and that if they cannot do this they are subjected to appropriate sanctions. --FergusM1970 (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning FergusM1970

You'd think someone so obsessed with accuracy wouldn't replace the text "While the city is more usually known as Derry" with "also called Derry by Irish nationalists" despite the references he removed saying "but today most people just call it Derry, whatever their politics" and "Popular opinion has it that nationalists call it Derry while Protestants call it Londonderry. However, as with most things in Northern Ireland, it's not always as simple as that. Many Protestants also refer familiarly to the city as Derry". Of course we (well, most of us I hope) all can see therefore the edits aren't related to accuracy at all, but FergusM1970 editing based on his own opinions. WP:ROPE springs to mind with this editor, based on his current talk page posts I'm not brimming with confidence that the behaviour won't continue once his current block expires, so we'll probably be back here again in a few days time I think.... 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 13:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning FergusM1970

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I've enacted a short (standard 24hrs) block to stop the edit-warring, because FergusM1970 had already broken 3RR and seemed unwilling to stop. I'll leave this open for the moment to determine if further discretionary sanctions are appropriate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, lemme see. The guy has two prior blocks for revert-warring, one back in 2009 (on a political topic broadly related to British national politics) and another (though on an unrelated topic) as recently as a month ago. He's showing an aggressive and inflexible "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and unwillingness to consider established consensus. This [1] edit appears quite unacceptable to me. I also find this [2] edit troublesome, as its reference to "people who don't like the laws of the land they choose to live in", directed at Northern Irish republicans, displays a highly hostile and divisive attitude.

Any objections against a topic ban? The area is now not only under the old Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles#Final remedies for AE case but also under Standard discretionary sanctions. Has the necessary warning paperwork be done to apply those? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems he was warned but he did exactly 3 reverts after the warning. I'm on the fence about it and might be inclined to admonish as oppose to sanction. --WGFinley (talk) 15:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Only" three reverts after the warning? I'm not sure how that is supposed to be a mitigating factor. This means he had already broken 1RR before the warning, so even a single revert after it was two too many. Plus breaking normal 3RR too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)I think that the warning (issued at 09:43 Dec 6 UTC) is fair notification, and I think you must be mistaken WGFinley - the WP:TROUBLES ruling imposes a 1rr on all articles related to it - he was in breach that ruling before the warning. He then reverted 3 times after the notification[3][4][5], thus he is well into sanctionable territory. Support topic ban based on this and on the battleground mentality evidenced by FPaS--Cailil ^talk 15:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that FergusM1970 has clearly broken the 1RR, which needs no warning. By continuing to revert after Mo ainm gave him a warning on his talk page that linked to the WP:TROUBLES arbcom case, Fergus opened himself up to regular discretionary sanctions. It seems to me that, given how determined he is, a three-month restriction from the Troubles articles could be justified. EdJohnston (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jonchapple

Jonchapple blocked for six weeks by HJ Mitchell for edit warring. AGK [•] 10:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Jonchapple

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Domer48_'fenian' 21:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Jonchapple (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Arbitration Enforcement Topic Ban

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

7 December 2011 Editor is Topic Banned from "All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland..." as of 11:41, 20 October 2011
6 October 2011 While adding the fact tags are questionable considering their ban, removing the text is violating their ban.
6 December 2011 Again, this has been a matter of some dispute and is also subject to the Topic Ban.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on20 October 2011 by KillerChihuahua (talk · contribs) explicit warning on flags
Warned on20 October 2011 by KillerChihuahua (talk · contribs)
Warned on 29 October 2011 by EdJohnston (talk · contribs)
Warned on 14 October 2011 by EdJohnston (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: This editor was given a topic ban on 20 October 2011 for violating the terms of their Arbitration enforced probation. They were explicitly warned about the issue of flags and some of the diff's used during the Arbitration which imposed the topic ban were on exactly the same article here here. Having been topic banned, they were then blocked by Arbitration for 3 weeks for violating the ban and imposed by Mkativerata here. Despite this block, they then launch a personal attack on me describing me as a sympathisers of terror. Regardless of the fact that they have been already warned by Arbitration for another personal attack on me, I actually let this go despite the scurrilous nature of the attack. Now having be warned, blocked and "Topic Banned" from all articles related to The Troubles, they again violated their ban. Regardless of who makes an edit on a Troubles related article, this editor has no business on these subjects! They are Banned. I also want that personal attack removed.

Reply to Bretonbanquet: They were given explicit warnings on flags! They are topic banned, and have no business reverting anyone on any article that is covered by their ban. They were blocked for violating their topic ban already, and were explicitly warned about personal attacks. They have ignored all and every warning.--Domer48_'fenian' 22:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added another diff as I consider it a violation of their ban. Adding fact-tags only to remove the text is plain gaming of the ban and the fact-tags.--Domer48_'fenian' 23:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [6]

Discussion concerning Jonchapple

Statement by Jonchapple

Ed, I reverted an IP-hopping vandal. Bretonbanquet above or somebody else would have done exactly the same if I hadn't've got there first, because the edit added an incorrect piece of pointy vandalism that directly contravened both Wikipedia consensus and the bare facts. And if you really think I'm making "no effort to curtial my inappropriate edits", we must really be looking at a different list of contributions. I see a set of useful, contructive, good-faith edits that are helping to make this project a more accurate resource. I don't know what else I can say. JonC ^Talk 22:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Jonchapple

Can an article about a racing driver be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland..? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the racing driver article per se but the addition/reversion of Irish/British flags that is covered by the sanctions. Mo ainm~Talk 22:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even when he's simply reverting vandalism by a popped-up-out-of-nowhere IP? The edit he reverted looks extremely dubious to say the least. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't vandalism it is a long running content dispute that is ongoing and I'm surprised that he even made the revert knowing full well that flags were covered in his topic ban. As regard to it being an IP hopping vandal I don't know if they are or not but they made two edits which certainly wouldn't be construed as vandalism. Mo ainm~Talk 22:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute has been dormant for five weeks after no sources were found by anyone to back up one side of the argument. Given the discussion on the talk page and the lack of edit summary, I'd say it was vandalism. A total of two edits, one of which just happens to be extremely contentious? Hmmm... At best, it's disruptive. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I was the last one to enter the UK flag icon before the IP edited it to the Irish one I feel that if Jonchapple hadnt undone it myself or Bretonbanquet would have . I had edited the discussion page[[7]] with up-to-date facts before I became aware of this . If this is consistent with the Troubles ruling , maybe in Jonchapple's case it is , it is also about the motor racing issue. There is no evidence to show that Carroll has ever been Irish in a sporting sense and that the remit of flags in motor racing infoboxes is based on sporting nationality - Northern Irish isnt a motor racing nationality and as Carroll isnt Irish the editor has just undone a comment with-out an edit summary and without a discussion ot the talk page . The IP made no effort to engage , discuss or explain their edit , the undoing of which would seem appropriate for an article on motor racing .Murry1975 (talk) 02:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Jonchapple

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

The recent practice at AE has been to consider revert warring on British versus Irish nationality for people born in Northern Ireland as being covered by Troubles enforcement. In fact Jonchapple was blocked for a week on 28 October for this revert in which he disputed the nationality of a golfer named Rory McIlroy. His new edits at Adam Carroll represent more of the same. Nothing has changed, he was blocked before for the same thing, and he seems to be making no effort to curtail his inappropriate edits. I suggest doubling the previous block, which was for three weeks. EdJohnston (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Per Ed, I agree this is more of the same from Jonchapple and support a 6 week block. However, given that this user will then have been blocked for 9 weeks of his 13 week (3 month) topic ban for violating it I'd suggest resetting the ban from the date of his future unblock (ie a new 3 month topic ban to run from Jan 18 2012)--Cailil ^talk 23:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've blocked Jonchapple for six weeks. If he wasn't aware that edit-warring over nationalities like that was considered to be within the scope of WP:TROUBLES, he might have had a defence, but considering Ed clearly warned him about it (and this is very similar conduct to that which got him blocked last time), that is not applicable. The suggestion resetting the topic ban is not an unreasonable one and I'll leave this open for discussion of that proposal. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I support the block, the two edits are blatant violations of the TBAN, it wasn't vandalism that was added, typical POV pushing in this topic space (large chunk of Unionist vs Nationalist language in the first diff and "province" vs "country" of Northern Ireland in the second). I support resetting the topic ban to 3 months from this date. --WGFinley (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

YehudaTelAviv64

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning YehudaTelAviv64

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: YehudaTelAviv64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA#General_1RR_restriction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Dec 7 adds redundant info about occupation – revert 1
Dec 7 adds redundant info about occupation – revert 2

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warned on 1 December 2011 by Biossketch, followed by EdJohnston, followed by Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#YehudaTelAviv64 closed three days ago, followed by User talk:EdJohnston#YehudaTelAviv64, followed by Wgfinely (I may be missing a few)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

In response to the comments below: My understanding of policy is that adding info is considered a revert because it changes the status quo. If this is incorrect, this can be speedily closed. However, I would like to point out the clear misuse WP:BRD policy at Talk:Golan Heights#revert explanation regarding this very complaint. He is claiming that BRD allows to him to re-add information that was reverted with an explanation on the talk page.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Wgfinley. The "harassment" referred to is this one thread at his talk page. Though admittedly the rhetoric should have been toned down, I still strongly suspect this editor is a return of a banned editor (as explained in the diff), though I am holding off for now on any official SPI because I do not have solid evidence tying it to any specific editor.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [8]

Discussion concerning YehudaTelAviv64

Statement by YehudaTelAviv64

This is Wikipedia:Harassment. The first diff is clearly not a revert. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brewcrewer earlier posted personal attacks on my talk page and I reported it here. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wgfinley

I think that you may need to consult Help:Reverting. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 04:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Brewcrewer

You said, "...clear misuse WP:BRD policy..." -- BRD isn't policy. From WP:BRD:

"BRD is not a policy. This means it is not a process that you can require other editors to follow." and "BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes. Don't invoke BRD as your reason for reverting someone else's work or for edit warring: instead, provide a reason that is based on policies, guidelines, or common sense."

YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: EdJohnston

I would like an explanation for how the first link can possibly be considered a revert. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia Definition of Revert

On Wikipedia, reverting means undoing the effects of one or more edits, which normally results in the page being restored to a version that existed previously. More broadly, reverting may also refer to any action that in whole or in part reverses the actions of other editors. -- Help:Reverting

YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:37, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to have some new definition for 'revert' for the purpose of this AE that has no basis in Wikipedia policies. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In response to your abuse of the term 'revert', I fear I have no choice but to request a Wikipedia:Administrators#Arbitration Committee review using the Arbitration Committee mailing list. You very clearly invented a new definition for "revert" and that is not acceptable for a Wikipedia administrator. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In this edit, Brewcrewer removed a reply I posted in his section. He simply erased it and did not move it to another section. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning YehudaTelAviv64

What does the first dif revert? It looks like the second dif is the only revert here - not a violation. Jd2718 (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of ongoing harassment by Brewcrewer -- [9]. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The Wikipedia Definition of Revert is: "On Wikipedia, reverting means undoing the effects of one or more edits, which normally results in the page being restored to a version that existed previously. More broadly, reverting may also refer to any action that in whole or in part reverses the actions of other editors." YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statment by Shrike

Though user was warned not use editing summaries to attack other users he clearly does so.

Calling other editor troll and failing to assume good faith by called the admin "biased".[10]
Calling editor "deranged" [11]

The editor removes admin warning [12] clearly shows battleground behavior.--Shrike (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Malik Shabazz

Referring to another editor as deranged should be grounds for a temporary, if not permanent, vacation from the project. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning YehudaTelAviv64

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Re: YehudaTelAviv64 I do consider the first diff a revert, there has been several days of wrangling over this language [13][14][15][16][17] These diffs pretty much outlined the current edit war. I have already protected the article due to the warring, I believe an article ban of 7 days would be in order for Yehuda. I will take a look at the harassment allegation. --WGFinley (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re:brew crewer I agree these sock accusations are a bit strong [18][19] but not unprecedented in this topic area. I don't see anything actionable though but a warning may be in order. --WGFinley (talk) 03:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The two edits cited in the above reports appear to technically be two reverts in 24 hours. Oftentimes we will cut some slack for new editors or look at the context. In YTA64 we have a new editor (probably not a sock, but with the same aggressiveness and resistance to feedback that we associate with socks) who wants to go right up to the edge of what is allowed. For people who work on the edge, we often cite WP:GAME as a reason to distrust them. Also, he misuses the term 'vandalism' and cites people for harassment when they are only giving a routine notice of a report to AE. I suggest that our patience might be running out and ask for suggestions. He's received plenty of advice and but is taking none of it, so I doubt that a further warning will be of any use. So far he get a zero for collaboration. The traditional next step for editors who push POV on I/P articles and can't be reasoned with is to consider a three-month topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Technical (checkuser) evidence would suggest that YTA64 actually has been active on Wikipedia before, on a different account, but I am still following up on that, he has not abusively used his previous account, and he did not formerly edit within this topic area so the other account may be unrelated. AGK [•] 10:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interim update: Issue still pending. AGK [•] 20:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest waiting to see what AGK recommends before closing this. On the evidence given above (before AGK made his comment) we should be considering either a short topic ban or no action. If YTA64 wants to write to Arbcom to get them to define a revert, he is welcome to do so. EdJohnston (talk) 03:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. --WGFinley (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

VanishedUser314159

IP blocked one year. A named party of two Arbcom cases abused the Right To Vanish, evading both an AE block and a topic ban by actively editing on fringe topics during his ban. EdJohnston (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning VanishedUser314159

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Professor marginalia (talk) 00:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: VanishedUser314159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Log of blocks and bans; Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist#ScienceApologist limited to one account

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

8 Dec 2011 Maybe just the most ironic edit. Has been editing from this IP since indef block in Mar 2011 for socking to evade sanctions, more persistently since about Oct 2011
15 Dec 2010 Confirms he edited with the IP before his block

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not necessary. He knows he can't do this.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

It's a shame it's come to this, but this is a mess. With all the courtesy blanking on his behalf, the misuse of the Right to Vanish, socking, and block evasions - I had to say something. I always found him to be a real asset at wikipedia and I don't have any opinion about the arbitration cases he was party in-I didn't follow them. It was only because in a discussion with him yesterday, I recognized the IP as VanishedUser314159 and looked him up that I learned he was currently blocked. But to continue editing he should come out in the open, seek his block be removed and edit under his user account.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[20]

Discussion concerning VanishedUser314159

Statement by 128.59.171.194

I know that as an IP my abilities to edit on Wikipedia are limited. I encourage any administrator who thinks it appropriate to block this IP if you feel the contributions have been in any way disruptive. I do not have access to VanishedUser314159's account, nor do I have any desire to create a user account. 128.59.171.194 (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by VanishedUser314159

Comments by others about the request concerning VanishedUser314159

Result concerning VanishedUser314159

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VanishedUser314159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
128.59.171.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

In December 2010, VanishedUser314159 added the signature of a named account under a talk comment left by this IP. In January 2011 the vanished user offered to take a one-year wikibreak, but it does not appear that he was serious. The IP geolocates to Columbia University. I've notified Jpgordon, who placed the indefinite block on VanishedUser314159 in March 2011, to see if he wants to comment. The IP is very active on fringe topics since March 2011, which goes against past advice by Arbcom. It also violates a one-year topic ban from fringe science imposed here at AE in January 2011, still visible in Archive81. Unless the user volunteers to seek unblock under his main account we may need to treat this as evasion of an AE block and shut down the IP for a long period. It does not appear necessary to go to Arbcom for advice since they have expressed themselves clearly in the past. We should consider imposing a one-year block. We can give the user the address of arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org if he is hoping that the Committee has changed its mind about allowing him to use multiple identities. EdJohnston (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That diff is pretty clear proof it is him, it appears a block defense has been lined up as the IP added the Shared IP Edu template.[21] Since the IP went right on editing after responding here and the IP is clearly associated with the banned user and I don't see any other substantive edits from this IP indicating it is truly shared it would seem a long term block is in order.--WGFinley (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Closing: 128.59.171.194 (talk · contribs) is blocked for one year for evading the AE block of User:VanishedUser314159 and the AE topic ban from pseudoscience and fringe science imposed in January 2011. This sanction is being logged in WP:ARBPS and in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist. EdJohnston (talk) 03:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone35

Someone35 (talk · contribs) banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces for one year, expiry 10 Dec 2012 --WGFinley (talk) 06:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Someone35

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Nableezy 15:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Someone35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

2 December 2011 See below
19:39, 6 December 2011 See below for explanation
19:15, 7 December 2011 Hounding
10:04, 9 December 2011 Hounding, disruptive editing
9 December 2011 Accusing others of being paid to edit Wikipedia

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Notified of the case on 24 August 2011‎
Topic banned following the user calling me an "antisemite"

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Someone35, after having his or her indefinite topic ban for calling another user (me) an antisemite without any evidence reduced to a 3 month topic ban on appeal has continued with the same immature behavior that demonstrates why the user should restricted from the topic area. In the first diff above the user personalizes a dispute at a talk page by asking an inane question to me. In the second diff the user continues with this pattern, asking if I am employed. In the the third diff, the user tendentiously follows my contributions to an article he or she had never edited to make a personal attack, claiming that I am not editing article to "contribute" to them but rather to "agitate people against Israel". That the user has no idea what they are talking about on the issue under discussion does not seem to faze him or her. In the fourth edit, the user again hounds my contributions to ask an extremely inappropriate question, asking how much I am paid to edit here. The meaning of that diff is made clear in the final diff, in which the user again makes the absurd accusation that I was paid to be involved in a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem.

This is not daycare, and we should not have to deal with children running around making a nuisance of themselves. The user's disruption has escalated from a minor annoyance to active disruption, and I request that his or her indefinite topic ban be reimposed. When the user can demonstrate that he or she has the required maturity to edit in the topic area the ban can be rescinded, but I think it is clear that after the 3 month ban that this child still is not fit to edit in the topic area.

It is very obvious who the user was referring to in the edit on his talk page, and the comments below are disingenuous to say the least. Compare this with this and you can see that the claim that he was not referring to a specific user falls flat. This is similar to the behavior that occurred prior to the user's last topic ban, where the user claimed that because he or she called me an antisemite in Hebrew but not English it should not count. See the past thread here (collapsed section, the extension of the ban occurred during an appeal of a block). nableezy - 16:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Someone35

Statement by Someone35

I'll reply to each edit:

1. How is this a violation of any guideline?

2. Was there anything offensive in this question?

3. Am I not allowed to involve in a discussion about a place that I know well? I even visited there a few months ago so I am knowledgeable in that article.

4. That edit was underlined for a purpose...

5. Did I mention you there? See who's wikihounding (or stalking) others...

Reply to Nableezy's statement:

I already apologized for that, look for it if you want.
In my opinion that question wasn't inane, also you didn't even answer me, you just removed it.
That's because you haven't answered me, you could at least say that you are not interested in telling me that...
Again, I am knowledgeable about Hiriya and I agreed with his position.
That was underlined for a purpose
Where did I mention you in the last diff? Also, the meaning of the userbox you put in the bottom of your userpage is also clear and you can get arrested for supporting terrorist organizations...

Since mostly children read Wikipedia (usually to copy their HW from there), you SHOULD have children editing here in order to make Wikipedia more open to children.

Also, Nableezy is the only user who seems to be disrupted by my edits and that's the 3rd or 4th time he reports me.

Response to WGFinley: Nableezy is the only editor who complains about me. Once I saw asad's warning I removed the problematic sentences. But I went out for about 3 hours so I only saw it after Nableezy complained here.-- Someone35 16:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Does the fact he's the only one that complains about you change the fact that you asked him if he has a job and accused him of being paid to edit WP? --WGFinley (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't accused him. I haven't even mentioned him in that edit. I asked him once oafishly (that's the word google translate gave me, I'm not sure it's accurate, I never heard of this word before) if he has a job since he seems to edit a lot on Wikipedia. As far as I know, asking somebody if he has a job isn't against any Wikipedia policy.-- Someone35 16:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Man, you really outta stop burying yourself with these self-destructive comments. Have you not taken to heart what you have learned in your mentoring course? -asad (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the sentences you asked me to remove in order not to get myself in trouble, but I only saw your warning after Nableezy reported me-- Someone35 16:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Nableezy's second comment: There other people who are not you that make POV pushing edits and are getting paid for editing Wikipedia...-- Someone35 16:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to the admins: Then give me a one year interaction ban with Nableezy, since I don't engage in edit wars with other users, or make problematic edits in Israeli Palestinian conflict articles (I am not edit warring or violating any rule there). Also, again, I removed the sentences Nableezy complains about in the moment I saw asad's warning, but apparently it was too late and Nableezy already wrote the report here.-- Someone35 06:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Someone35

Comment by Malik Shabazz

@WGFinley We shouldn't continue to add a little more time and send them back out to cause issues when their TBAN expires. Precisely. So why add a little more time and send Someone35 back out when his (proposed year-long) topic ban expires? Why not reinstate his indefinite topic ban? Hasn't he made good use of the WP:ROPE he was given? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Demiurge1000

I'm Someone35's mentor (agreed after his initial topic ban) so unfortunately I'm partly responsible for this, as I only noticed and replied to all this on Friday morning. The mentoring work that we've done so far clearly hasn't successfully dealt with the issue that Someone35 has extremely strong views about certain groups whose stated aim is to destroy his country, that he (wrongly) associates opposing viewpoints on Wikipedia with those groups, and that he not only focuses his feelings about this on Nableezy as an individual, but also doesn't restrain himself from expressing those feelings on Wikipedia. (In retrospect, probably the first part of the mentoring should have been "let's talk about Nableezy and your feelings about Nableezy", but instead I took a more conventional approach.)

The comments made are indefensible; there's no world in which one asks a on-wiki opponent "do you have a job?" just out of curiosity, and secondly I don't see how Someone35 or anyone else can expect the comments about paid editing to be interpreted as other than referring to Nableezy.

I would prefer WGFinley's suggestion of a year long topic ban rather than an indefinite one, though the only argument I have in support of that is that for a teenager, a year is a very long time.

An alternative suggestion would be an indefinite one-way interaction action ban to stay away from Nableezy, to include not editing any articles where Nableezy already edits. I do feel that if adhered to, this would prevent the expression of personal animosity that is the focus of the problem here. I'm aware that one-way interaction bans are generally frowned upon because of the potential for provocation in the other direction, but Nableezy has been very restrained in dealing with this, so I don't believe that would be an issue. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by MichaelNetzer

Someone35's interaction with Nableezy is unfortunate, and exhibits an immaturity that should not be tolerated. It does seem, however, that it's not driven by subject or content issues, rather by a personal one with an editor who is himself controversial when it comes to this topic area, as it's not the first time conflicts have risen around him. A topic ban may not be a focused enough solution, wherein a long interaction ban would more likely address the root of the problematic behavior. If within or after such a ban, Someone35 continues to behave this way towards Nableezy, then there would be good reason to widen the scope of the ban to include the topic. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 18:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Michael, it's part of the nature of the topic area that there is hardly an editor in it of which some other editor would not say that they are controversial or have been the source of conflict. ← ZScarpia 19:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't intend to single out anyone in the overall context of this topic area, and I appreciate it being hot for most everyone. Only to say that it is specifically a personal issue in this case, which has roots in the interaction between both editors. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 19:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You'll notice that Demiurge thinks it goes a bit further than a personal issue. Having said that, I have no view on what the best solution would be. ← ZScarpia 20:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about that, ZScarpia. Demiurge suggests a one way interaction ban as an alternative solution saying: "I do feel that if adhered to, this would prevent the expression of personal animosity that is the focus of the problem here." True that SO35's young age plays a factor as well, but it does seem to focus on a personal animosity. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 20:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Someone35

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Of Nableezy's submitted diffs 2 is a pretty blatant personal attack and 4 and 5 are battleground fodder. Previous ban was 3 months, I believe a year off of P-I is in order as this isn't even a month since the last TBAN expired. We shouldn't continue to add a little more time and send them back out to cause issues when their TBAN expires. --WGFinley (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Malik -I might be so inclined to support that but wouldn't make that call solo, would like some other opinions. --WGFinley (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that the case for reinstating the editor's I/P topic ban is strong. I suggest that the indefinite topic ban be reimposed, with the option for review of the ban after one year and then every three months thereafter. EdJohnston (talk) 04:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Demiurge1000 and MichaelNetzer: A review of Someone35's last two appearances at AE does not inspire confidence about his ability to edit neutrally on Israeli/Palestinian topics. The problems with his editing shown here in August and here in September indicate that it's not just a question of interpersonal conflict with Nableezy. It's clear to me that Someone35 could not live up to the hopes that people had for his reform when his ban was commuted to three months back in September. If anyone thinks that Someone35 has a good grasp of what is going on here, read over the five points that begin his statement, above. Asad112 has responded above that Someone35 is burying himself with self-destructive comments. EdJohnston (talk) 05:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the appeal of Someone35's mentor, I'm inclined to go with one year as pretty ample and don't want to make this too complicated. So I will make it a year TBAN and wrap this up. --WGFinley (talk) 05:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by The Devil's Advocate

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user: The Devil's Advocate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: Block logged at

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories#Log of blocks.2C bans.2C and restrictions

Administrator imposing the sanction: Wgfinley (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: User is blocked and can't send notice, I acknowledge the appeal. --WGFinley (talk) 22:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by The Devil's Advocate

The policy on topic bans indicates there are exemptions to topic bans where the editor is addressing a legitimate concern about the ban. I believed the concerns I was raising fell under such an exemption. Other than the concerns obvious from my comment, like the editor who pushed for the topic ban apparently using it to game consensus to revert uncontroversial changes on the disputed article, I provided several more concerns on my talk page. My understanding is that one reason a topic ban provides for exemptions in the case of notifying admins about violations of interaction bans is because a violation on the part of one individual inherently invites a violation by the other individual. In other words, one editor should not be baiting another individual into violating a ban and an editor under a topic ban should raise concerns about such baiting to an admin. Here I went to the admin who had specifically imposed the topic ban, indicating I had no intention of violating the topic ban. Given all of this, I believe this was not worthy of a block. Even if one argues that it was a violation, the circumstances were sufficiently ambiguous under the policy that the imposition of any block seems inappropriate.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to WG on block appeal

While I understand the concern about a comment about a user's conduct becoming a discussion, this would be true for any exemption. Mentioning an editor's actions in violation of an interaction ban, for instance, may cause the other editor to respond in a way that leads to further violations, but the point is where the comment is made. An admin can hardly argue that he would not be able to control what is occurring on his own talk page. That is why I made the comment there. Perhaps it would have been better to send an e-mail, something I considered, but when using e-mail there is a concern about it being perceived as an inappropriate effort to lobby in secret.

I further feel I had to mention why the action was of concern and that required some specificity. To be clear, it was not a general concern about an editor continuing to make contributions to the article, but the attempt to undo uncontroversial contributions of mine that had been standing for weeks and the way that attempt was being portrayed. The editor who filed the request leading to my topic ban was using the topic ban resulting from that request to revert changes of mine and give them the illusion of real consensus by implying that it was a compromise being put up for discussion, even though the editor knew the person who was being reverted was not going to be able to provide input on the "compromise" over those edits. Since the topic ban ten days ago this proposal has been the editor's only action on the article.

That, from my perspective, is quite a serious concern about the ban. Editors using AE to game the system is certainly a problem and goes straight to the question of whether the request was made in good faith in the first place. One impression I got from the proposal was that the editor was being vindictive and attempting to hound me by undoing as many of my contributions as possible until I stopped contributing to the article altogether. It should be added that this specifically concerned an issue I raised with WG about the topic ban being extended to talk pages as it seems unlikely the editor making this proposal would have done so knowing I could quickly chime in to point out all the deceptive language being used.

Finally, despite what WG says, I have no real animosity towards any of the editors contributing to the article. On several occasions I have sought the opinions of these editors on changes to the article and have specifically sought to accommodate their concerns. Sometimes I have found them cooperative, and other times I have found them to be the opposite. After the edit-warring block issued by EdJohnston it appears the latter response has become more common.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by WGFinley

TDA states he was just inquiring about his ban, I think that's clearly not the case as shown in what he wrote on my talk page.[22]

TDA was given a 30 day TBAN for 9/11 articles (log) resulting from a previous AE Request. My notification to him is very clear to him about the terms including, "...any discussion of that topic on other pages. While he may have been speaking about the ban to complain about it he went on about the conduct of another user, how they were making changes to the article and this was wrong because he was banned.

This is a common reaction of TBAN users but as we had previously discussed his TBAN in excruciating great detail there was no ambiguity he was under a TBAN. If the other user he was referring to responded it would just make the article talk page out of my talk page and clearly that's what TBAN's are intended to prevent - further disturbance on the article. I've tried very hard to encourage TDA to work collaboratively but he can't seem to put aside the animosity he has against other users, and one user in particular, in order to edit harmoniously.--WGFinley (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Jordgette

Am I expected to defend myself for posting in my userspace a draft of suggested changes to an article,[23] and asking for community input,[24] without making a single actual revert or edit to the article in question since November 21? No thank you; I will use that time to improve an article instead. But if it would make you feel better, I'll ask someone else to move over those changes once discussion is closed. (Or maybe that's still "gaming consensus"...I'll take my chances.) -Jordgette [talk] 01:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by The Devil's Advocate

Result of the appeal by The Devil's Advocate

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The Devil's Advocate is *not* appealing his recent one-month topic ban from 9/11 articles, he is appealing the one week block that was issued by WGFinley for making this edit at WG's talk. The language of WP:TBAN permits restricting the banned editor from raising the issues anywhere on Wikipedia, including on user talk pages. Finley used this specific wording to impose the ban:

This is to inform you that, as the result of this Arbitration Enforcement request you are hereby banned from editing all articles which relate to the September 11 attacks, broadly interpreted, as well as their talk pages, and from any discussion of that topic on other pages. The ban is through 30 December 2011.

TDA violated the restriction by using Finley's talk to complain about actions of the other party in the edit war, User:Jordgette. WGF's action appears routine to me, since this is how topic bans are supposed to work. On his user talk TDA is contesting at length the accepted theory of topic bans. He argues that the admins are wrong in trying to prevent him from from discussing the other party's editing of the 9/11 articles since his own topic ban was imposed. I recommend declining this appeal. EdJohnston (talk) 03:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a topic ban violation to me. If he just argued about his block that would be one thing, but he mostly argued about the editing of others. Decline appeal. Zero^talk 07:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cptnono

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Cptnono

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Nableezy 01:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

11 December 2011‎ Revert of this edit

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Notified of interaction ban by AGK (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The notice of the interaction ban specified that the user may not Undo any edit by Nableezy to any page except your own user or user talk pages (by any means, including the rollback function). This is the first time Cptnono has ever edited the article Irgun. The user has also followed me to Palestinian Arabic having never edited that page before either. The same is true for the article Palestinian people. The user had also never edited that article in the past. I have avoided Cptnono with complete diligence, ensuring my compliance with the interaction ban, a ban that was placed due to the Ctpnonos tendentious hounding and repeated hurling of vexatious and unsupported accusations against me. I find it unbelievable that the last three articles edited by Cptnono were all edited for the very first time by the user, shortly after I edited them, and that Cptnono has some other way of explaining how he arrived at those articles besides by hounding my contributions. The diff listed is a straight forward violation of the ban, and the edits to Palestinian people and Palestinian Arabic are arguably also violations as they show that Cptnono continues with his tendentious hounding of my edits. I request the interaction ban be enforced and the user blocked.

Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? Cptnono has followed me around from article to article, with all of his latest edits being on pages that I have recently been editing, and with none of them on pages the user has ever edited in the past. That I brought up your incompetence in the thread on Jiujitsuguy after you repeatedly either ignored the evidence or deliberately misrepresented it has not one bit to do with this issue. Cptnono has an interaction ban with me. One of the restrictions is not making any reverts of edits made by me. The edit listed above is a revert of an edit made by me. Even you should be able to add those things together and arrive at Cptnono violated the interaction ban. nableezy - 03:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And WGF, if you want to play all hard about reverts, how about noticing the editors who have not said one word on the talk page while reverting, such as Cptnono, AndresHerutJaim, and *cough, sock, cough* JungerMan Chips Ahoy!. I havent even made a revert that counts as a revert on that page, and you want to topic ban me? nableezy - 04:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Mkativerata: Im not looking for a battle, I expressly wish to not have to deal with somebody such as Cptnono at all. But he actively seeks me out. The last time this happened he repeatedly directed absurd accusations at me without ever providing even a whiff of any evidence, while hounding me from article to article drunkenly daring others to revert him. So I requested, and received, an interaction ban. Ive ignored several violations of it, but here we have as a set of edits the recurrence of the old pattern of following me around, seemingly just to annoy me. Cptnono, until the last days, had never edited Irgun, Palestinian people, or Palestinian Arabic. I have been editing each within the last week. It isnt really surprising that the user has revived this old sport of trying to keep tabs on me, but is annoying, and at least one of the recent edits is a straightforward violation of the interaction ban. nableezy - 04:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ed, could you please explain to me what an interaction ban is? Is Cptnono's edit a revert of my edit? If not, why not? Because others were also reverting the edit? What of the following of my contributions to multiple article that he has never edited in the past? Is that not a user actively seeking out an interaction where interaction is banned? nableezy - 07:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Cptnono

Statement by Cptnono

Comments by others about the request concerning Cptnono

Comment by Zero0000

I don't see "unless someone else has reverted the same edit in the meanwhile" in Cptnono's interaction ban. Indeed, under such an interpretation it is hard to see how an interaction ban could have any effect since there is always someone else around to throw the first punch. Cptnono's edit is a prima facie interaction ban violation. If it is judged to not be a violation, then the interaction ban should be clarified and all parties made aware of the change. Punishing Nableezy for making a report on a perfectly reasonable interpretation would be quite outrageous. More generally, while it is reasonable to be frustrated and annoyed at the level of dispute in this area, taking it out on those who bring disputes to the proper authorities (which this board is supposed to be) is not an appropriate way of dealing with it. All that does is make the serial violators more bold. Zero^talk 03:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Mkativerata

(I'm an admin who has declared himself involved in respect of ARBPIA) I think Nableezy might have ~~picked the wrong battle~~ construing the interaction ban a bit widely here. But the suggestion to "solve" the issue by handing out multiple topic bans would be a gross misjudgement. I think this should be closed as "no action". When multiple editors have contributed to an edit-war but none of them have done anything egregious on their own, locking the article is the sensible solution (and I see that's been done), not punitive action. These kind of edit wars really aren't that bad. --Mkativerata (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Nableezy: I've struck "picked the wrong battle"; I mean it in a colloquial rather than a perjorative ("battleground") sense. I think this episode is yet another demonstration of the futility of interaction bans, more than anything. --Mkativerata (talk) 04:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Malik Shabazz

First, I'm laughing to myself that you think a self-revert is a 1RR violation. But moreso, I'm laughing that Cptnono, who added Category:Resistance movements, didn't notice that it was already there (having been restored by AndresHerutJaim). — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, then, Wgfinley. I'm still laughing at Cptnono (and all of us—including myself—who reverted afterward) for missing the fact that the category was already on the page. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Broccolo

Per WGFinley, Cptnono has never reverted Nableezy, and as Nableezy said he and Cptnono are under interaction ban. With this frivolous AE Nableezy violated his interaction ban with Cptnono. Could you please enforce the ban by sanctioning the filer? Broccolo (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by MichaelNetzer

During my short time in the I/P area, I'd likely be considered someone who'd be happy to see a sanction against Nableezy in this case. We've had heated exchanges where I've tried to get across the folly of aggressive editing. I've repeatedly stressed that reporting to AE is not a method I choose for solving disputes. Over the last few days, and through a mutual effort to resolve an extended disagreement, I was gratified to see a better collaborative spirit developing between us. Like Mkativerata, I believe this request for action against Cptono is misplaced and unnecessary. But I also agree with him that a TBAN, especially multiple ones, could be an overkill. I'd certainly prefer to see a less trigger happy finger when it comes to filing such requests. However, I'm of a mind that a more creative approach is necessary to help ease tensions. I'm not sure how to convey this need other than by setting an example. If I could, I'd place a reverse interaction ban on both editors so they can only edit together, on one specific article, within a topic other than I/P - and would only lift the ban when they become sufficiently cooperative. I know that's a bit of a stretch and only suggest it rhetorically, to help stress the need for a change in attitude here. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 07:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Cptnono

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This is a pretty contrived and vexatious request from Nableezy and given his conduct on a recent AE filing we he refused to accept the decision and continue the discussion after it was closed I think it's time for a ban from WP:AE again as well as another TBAN.

There's no "I got here first, now you can't edit" in an interaction ban and Nableezy knows it. There's a 4 day lapse between Nableezy's edit and Cptnono's and this revert by Brewcrewer which was reverted by DePiep which was reverted by JJG which was reverted by SD which was reverted by Malik which was reverted again by Malik in violation of 1RR (though of himself and I expect there's an explanation) which was reverted by AndresHerutJaim which was finally reverted by Cptnono as Nableezy outlined. Of course then DePiep needed to revert that which was then reverted by JungerMan who in turn was reverted by Malik again until I brought an end to this nonsense by protecting the page.. So, in making this report Nableezy ignored the 7 previous reversions prior to Cptnono.

@Malik - It was meant to be humorous slightly, I just have to cover all bases with this crew lest someone point out a 1RR violation was missed and not noted. You know how it goes here. --WGFinley (talk) 06:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I stated writing a remedy but I believe long term TBANs of multiple parties are in order here and will wait for others to weigh in. Some of these folks are fresh off of TBANs and are revert warring the placement of a category in an article. --WGFinley (talk) 03:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@WGF: I agree that there is no violation of Cptnono's interaction ban with Nableezy here. Malik self-reverted one of his edits, so if we exclude him, nobody edited more than once at Irgun. It is unclear why anyone's editing of Irgun would be the occasion for topic bans. The reverts by several people at Irgun suggest a lack of good judgment even though 1RR was not broken. It would be hard to formalize a new restriction like 'use common sense before reverting anything on a hot-button article when several people have already reverted it'. EdJohnston (talk) 05:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned about the number of owners of previous TBANs here thought it was okay to get in a revert war, they all know they shouldn't be and this is the exact kind of nonsense that continues to cause disruption, AE filings, etc, etc. --WGFinley (talk) 06:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I could see the logic of issuing bans for those previously under a TBAN, based on poor judgment exhibited on a hot-button article. But you'd need to state the criterion for your action clearly. Also be aware that, if the rule is generalized, you might start getting more AE submissions since there is more than one hot-button article. EdJohnston (talk) 06:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

[a]

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 :And WGF, if you want to play all hard about reverts, how about noticing the editors who have not said one word on the talk page while reverting, such as Cptnono, AndresHerutJaim, and *cough, sock, cough* JungerMan Chips Ahoy!. I havent even made a revert that counts as a revert on that page, and you want to topic ban me? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 04:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</small>
 @Mkativerata: Im not looking for a battle, I expressly wish to not have to deal with somebody such as Cptnono at all. But he actively seeks me out. The last time this happened he repeatedly directed absurd accusations at me without ever providing even a whiff of any evidence, while hounding me from article to article drunkenly daring others to revert him. So I requested, and received, an interaction ban. Ive ignored several violations of it, but here we have as a set of edits the recurrence of the old pattern of following me around, seemingly just to annoy me. Cptnono, until the last days, had never edited [[Irgun]], [[Palestinian people]], or [[Palestinian Arabic]]. I have been editing each within the last week. It isnt really surprising that the user has revived this old sport of trying to keep tabs on me, but is annoying, and at least one of the recent edits is a straightforward violation of the interaction ban. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 04:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</small>
+:Ed, could you please explain to me what an interaction ban is? Is Cptnono's edit a revert of my edit? If not, why not? Because others were also reverting the edit? What of the following of my contributions to multiple article that he has never edited in the past? Is that not a user actively seeking out an interaction where interaction is banned? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 07:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</small>
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