Talk:Manjappada: Difference between revisions

I am closing this discussion at the behest of another user due to my extended confirmed status. Though I am not familiar with the subject it seems to me that there exists a strong consensus that the Manjappada fan club are deserving of their own article. I have copied the 'Support' section over to Manjappada. Beaneater (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that section Support Section be split into a separate page called Manjappada due to the following reasons :

1.The support section contains contents based on the fan club Manjappada that is independent of Kerala Blasters.

2. Continuous attempts were made by some users back in 2016-18 period to create the article called Manjappada. But the fan club was not notable at that time and failed WP:GNG. There were no reliable sources also. The Kerala Blasters article were also too short at that time.Thus Manjappada was redirected into the support section of Kerala Blasters.

3. But the scenario has changed now. Three more years has passed and the Kerala Blasters article is now around 103,000 bytes and the fan club has more than enough coverage and multiple reliable independent sources are present which includes sources from 1.[[1]] 2.[[2]] 3.[[3]] 4.[[4]] ..etc which makes it pass WP:GNG. So the support section must be splitted out from the main article under the title Manjappada. WhiteFalcon1 (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Support: As per the sources in the support section, its evident that the fan club meets notability criteria. Also the content in the support section seems off the topic that covers almost entirely about the fan club and its importance. The Kerala Blasters article is also large enough now to consider splitting. Shahoodu (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: The fan club meets notability criteria, the sources back this up, this fan group is quite significant. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support : As per the nom, the contents in the support section covers mainly about the supporters group. Also the plenty of sources in the support section shows that they are an independently notable supporters group. Indianfootball98 (talk) 02:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: Yes the support does meet the notability criteria however the support section is not currently WP:UNDUE with the improvements made recently to the overall article. If the article had not been improved and the Support section was UNDUE within the context of the overall article I would have been in favour of a split. The 100,00 byte reasoning is somewhat obsolete in the context of the context of typically improved internet speeds and the efficiency of the mobile browser, xtools also show the prose is currently just under 23kb. Would not object to Manjappada being bolded within the Supporters section as there is already a redirect there from Manjappada. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: There are more than enough sources available on the internet to make this page similar to Emerald City Supporters which is an independent supporters group. Its important that beyond just their engagement with Kerala Blasters, the fan group is involved in a lot more activities not just as a fan group, but as a organisation. Like the nominator said, Manjappada was redirected earlier due lack of reliable sources and size. So considering its current size and notability, I strongly suggest this page should exist as a seperate article. Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 05:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support:The 100,00 byte reasoning is surely a factor to consider. Internet speed is not same as everywhere. As this club comes from India, the majority readers will be also Indians. As an Indian, let me tell the situation in my country. As per the report from a study, India ranks 131st in internet speed among the 138 countries included in the survey. 1.[[5]] 2.[[6]]. These reports just came yesterday. I would like to stress one point in the report here In some locations, you may get good speeds while in others you cant even refresh facebook. This is the case in the rural areas. Lot of places are there in the country where there is not even sufficient speed to browse the things such as wikipedia. Its also evident from the sources that the fan club is independent from the club which they support in many ways . So by considering the eminent size of this article also,I support the splitting. Sullyboywiki (talk) 06:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: Plenty of in depth coverage in multiple sources including Major national newspaper which is green on Perennial source. The supporters group is independent from the Kerala Blasters in many ways considering their support for the Indian national football team and engagement in other social activities. Iamfarzan (talk) 02:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as per nom:The supporters group is independent from the club from the club and have more contents and enough coverage to exist as a seperate article.TWFcode (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]