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If your name is listed below, I am politely requesting that you not edit this page: |
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If you would like me not to edit your talk page, please add yourself to the list below: |
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== Have a Cup of Tea == |
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Is excellent advice as a rule on WP. You have been here for under four months, and seem to be either a lightning rod or generator of lightning, depending on viewpoint. WP has no [[WP:DEADLINE]]. Cheers. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 11:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Oh, I'm not on a deadline. I can be quite persistent. If this unfair topic ban sticks, then in two weeks I will launch an RfC on this matter. If it doesn't, then I'll launch it sooner. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 11:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::The RFC will endorse the topic ban and tell you the same stuff people are telling you now. Really. Edit about things you're dispassionate about for a while. These contentious US politics articles are all crap anyway; the conflict in them drips from every sentence. I never even read them any more, much less try to edit them. [[Special:Contributions/67.117.130.143|67.117.130.143]] ([[User talk:67.117.130.143|talk]]) 11:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Actually, the RfC is not about the ban, but about the issue that led to the ban. It is about the content of the article. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 12:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::: There is already consensus that the info you want to add won't make it. What's an RFC going to do, other than have more written results that will piss you off and probably gain you a longer topic ban? ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">talk→</font>]]<span style="border:1px solid green;">''' [[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]] '''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">←track</font>]]) 12:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Except that there is no such consensus. Take a look at the section that you so kindly wrapped in plastic, and you will find that there's quite a good deal of support for the appropriate inclusion of the Africa gaffe. But, of course, you shut down that conversation, so now there's no consensus in any direction. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 12:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::You are supposed to be dropping this for two weeks. The more intractable you get the more likely you are to get the topic ban extended or do something thoughtless and get yourself blocked. Stand back and find a less vexing issue to spend your undoubted energy on. Then come back to later when the whole issue is less emotionally charged. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 12:54, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::Actually, I'm ''supposed'' to just give up, but I think we both know that's not going to happen. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 13:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::You might want to look at how biographies of other controversial people are handled so as to achieve neutrality. For the most part these articles should present hard facts such as education and offices held. If there is high quality analysis then that could be added also. But we cannot fill the articles with everything we can find that shows the subject in a negative light - weight and neutrality come into play. If you see anything seriously wrong with any of these articles however there are procedures for obtaining the input of other editors, without risking being blocked or topic-banned yourself. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 16:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::<s>THF</s>TFD, as much as I'd love to share my devastatingly intelligent response, you know I can't discuss this topic without violating the ban. You'll have to just take a rain-check. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 00:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::THF and TFD/The Four Deuces are *not* the same person. I suspect that both of them would be nettled as the confusion. (small grin) '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 20:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::You are correct. I've repaired the error. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 23:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Redemption == |
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Glad to hear you are not a sock. Your demeanor may not sit well with some, but I like the "cut of your jib". Temper your tenacity for your own well-being would be my advice. Good luck. [[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 23:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I think I'm going to take a simple, phased approach. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 10:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::True that. But don't get discouraged either. Take it with a grain of salt. What I think is particularly challenging about the content issue, aside from the inherent politics and who knows what else outside of normal policy, is that as you know the standards for inclusion on BLPs is much higher than most other articles. I usually stay away from them or tread very lightly. If nothing else, just consider the price of lawyers. -<small>[[User:PrBeacon|PrBeacon]] [[User_talk:PrBeacon|(talk)]]</small> 11:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Speaking of a grain of salt, I had some [http://www.saltworks.us/shop/product.asp?idProduct=350 Alderwood Smoked Salt (fine)] today, on some french fries, and they were absolutely delicious. It smells like a wonderful outdoor campfire. It makes foods taste smoky. If you ever get a chance to have some, please do. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 02:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=402677144&oldid=402677089 '''Gloat'''] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=402785328&oldid=402783400 much]? -<small>[[User:PrBeacon|PrBeacon]] [[User_talk:PrBeacon|(talk)]]</small> 04:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADylan_Flaherty&action=historysubmit&diff=403122811&oldid=403113912 Suit yourself]. Dylan, everyone else, do try some of that salt if you get a chance. I can't wait to cook some fresh salmon with it. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 04:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Where I come from, we don't much like pornographers. But we really, really hate book-burners. LAEC, I did at one point ask you not to post here. Granted, your name is not on the handy list, but if you are insistent, I could fix that. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 04:09, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'm trying to be nice. I hope you won't ban me. And I oppose book burning. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 04:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::[[User_talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling#COI|Banning books]] is the same as burning them. Just less sensational. -<small>[[User:PrBeacon|PrBeacon]] [[User_talk:PrBeacon|(talk)]]</small> 08:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Your diff is from a previous version of my response to you above it. What's the point of that? It doesn't make any sense, like much of your trolling. -<small>[[User:PrBeacon|PrBeacon]] [[User_talk:PrBeacon|(talk)]]</small> 04:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::I am having a friendly conversation here with both of you. Please keep that in mind. I meant what I said about the salt. There's no gloating involved. There's no nothing involved. Just friendly conversation. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 04:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'm going to go with PrBeacon's take on this and call it trolling. Please do me the courtesy of not posting to this page. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 04:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== The List == |
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Dylan, I've asked Bart1a to remove his "list" about people he supposedly doesn't want on his talk page, it would only be fair to make the same request of you. I don't think it is conducive to users growing above and beyond their disputes and moving forward... [[User:SGGH|S.G.<sup><small>(GH)</small></sup>]] <sub>[[User_talk:SGGH|ping!]]</sub> 11:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Dylan Flaherty, I would just like to say that I think your lists at the top of the page are an excellent idea. I feel that a specific blocking function for antagonistic users on our user talk pages would be very useful. [[User:Uncensored Kiwi|<i><b><font color="Blue" face="Mistral">Uncensored Kiwi</font></b></i>]] [[User talk:Uncensored Kiwi|<sup><font color="Grey">Kiss</font></sup>]] 12:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::SGGH, one of the things that most surprised me is that editors can demand that I not post on their talk page. In fact, I've been ''warned'' by admins about violating such requests, even when it was simply due to my inability to keep track. As such, the list of editors whose talk pages I ought not edit is for my own benefit more than anything else, as something to double-check instead of counting on my very limited memory. Allowing people to add themselves is just a simple courtesy. |
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::Now, just as I have trouble keeping track of other people's requests, I'm sure others have trouble keeping track of mine. The reverse list removes any ambiguity in this regard, which I believe is a good thing. Not only does it save others the effort of wracking their brains to remember, it also makes it easier for me to keep track of when I made the request and allows me let bygones be bygones simply by removing a line. And, of course, it does prevent further conflicts by avoiding the situation where someone forgets. |
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::Early on, I was given an ongoing interaction ban with another editor, and at risk of violating it in this comment, I have to say that it's been a relief, and I think a mutual one at that. From this, I learned an important lesson about growing above wiki-disputes: it starts with the ability to call a ceasefire and disconnect. Otherwise, we risk a feedback loop of annoying each other, defending ourselves from perceived slights, slighting others in perceived retaliation and so on. There will always be people who, for whatever reason, just can't get along at the moment. In the interest of keeping the peace, we all benefit from allowing them to explicitly disengage. |
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::As for Bart1a, I don't see much of a parallel, much less a precedent. His list accused people of various behaviors and threatened to remove their posts, so it could easily be seen as running afoul of [[WP:CIVIL]], [[WP:NPA]] and similar rules. My dual lists are polite, non-specific and non-judgmental. They don't threaten anything, they don't claim anything, they simply record a polite request, politely. There's already a precedent for allowing lists of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_J._Bulten/Friends friends] and those who need [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arthur_Rubin#Watch_list watching], so there appears to be a disparity here. |
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::Ultimately, the dual lists are an aid in following the rules so as to avoid conflict and there's certainly no rule against them. If anything, I must agree with the Kiwi that it would be nice if this functionality were built in and enforced by a prominent warning. As it's on my own talk page and shows no hostility towards others, I believe it would be inappropriate for an excess of editorial control to be exerted from outside, even by well-meaning admins. For all these reasons, I would prefer to keep the lists at this time. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 16:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::: There's nothing that stops ''you'' from creating a list of "List talkpages I have been asked to not post on" as a reminder. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">talk→</font>]]<span style="border:1px solid red;">''' [[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]] '''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">←track</font>]]) 11:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Was that you? == |
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I saw [[:Image:DevilMaul.jpg|40px]] this guy waiting in the Santa Claus line at the local mall. Was that you? [[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 17:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:The resemblance is striking, but no. Thanks for asking, though. I often go to the mall in full face paint. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 17:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== AN/I == |
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Here's a word to the wise; an apology is pretty good for the issue you were involved in. You've been in a dispute in which another editor has called your edits vandalism. He has admitted he ought not to have said that, and apologized. By holding out for a redaction and continuing to [[WP:WIKILAWYER|argue it out]] at our most-watched drama board, you will only make yourself look bad. Walk away from the dispute, honestly evaluate how your edits may have come across to others who are in my experience pretty much all devote in their own ways to improving the encyclopedia. Reenter the disputed area with a fresh head. Remember, it's an on-line encyclopedia we are building here, and there is no [[WP:DEADLINE|deadline]] to get it perfect. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 07:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:And if we're going to build it ''together'', we need to start by requiring civility. So far, he's called me a vandal and a liar. He has since made a weak apology in which he has further accused me of edit-warring, while slightly downgrading "vandal" to "arguable vandal". It's your job to fix this by blocking him until he learns to be civil. |
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:It may well be the case that taking the abuse will make me more popular with the in crowd than complaining about it, but given how my name has been dragged through the mud this week with false sock accusations and the entire Palin nonsense, I really don't much care about popularity. |
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:Do the right thing. Take away his Twinkle, block him for a few days, remind him that civility is not optional. Do that, and you'll get my attention when you offer me advice. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 07:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::Sorry to say, bud, I have to agree with John. You've given it a good run but at some point you have to stop beating your head against the wall. You're attracting alot of heat, I see too many familiar names in that new thread. When editors like LAEC feel justified in chastising you there, then you know something is screwed up. That's the only reason I stepped in, to challenge his misinformation because no one else did. Arguing with everyone at ANI will burn you out. Save it for another day. -<small>[[User:PrBeacon|PrBeacon]] [[User_talk:PrBeacon|(talk)]]</small> 08:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::You're absolutely right that nothing good will come from this. In fact, nothing good ''has'' come from it, and it came from nothing good. |
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:::Nonetheless, I had to make a good-faith effort to report THF for incivility and personal attacks. The fact that he compounded these with more of the same is now enshrined in history. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 08:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I'm not a regular poster to AN/I (except for 1 incident involving an article and a few editors that were heating things up) but I do read it a bit (drama addict and all). As admins have said, blocks are preventative not punitive, i.e. if the editor who has been reported repeats his/her offence repeatedly and is unrepentant then the admins step in and apply said blocks. However THF apologises, if you wish for a redaction of his comment, you could have taken it to his talk page. Stirring up the hornet's nest in ANI isn't the way to go about it. Reading [[WP:BOOMERANG]] may clarify your misinterpretation of it. --[[User:Blackmane|Blackmane]] ([[User talk:Blackmane|talk]]) 10:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== AN/I == |
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FYI, there's an [[Wikipedia:An/i#Personal_attacks_at_User_talk:Dylan_Flaherty|AN/I]] that refers to your talk page. '''''<span style= "font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:Uncensored Kiwi|<span style="color:Blue">Uncensored Kiwi</span>]]</span>''<sup>[[User talk:Uncensored Kiwi| <span style="color:Grey">Kiss</span>]]</sup>''' 10:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I noticed it but ignored it because it has nothing to do with me. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 10:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Just a Suggestion... == |
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Being on ANI twice in one day is not a good thing. You might want to tone it down a bit. Will lead to getting more respect on this site. Just a friendly suggestion. <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'arial bold',sans-serif;border:1px solid Black;">[[User:N419BH|<span style="color:Black;background:#FFD700;">N419</span>]][[User talk:N419BH|<span style="background:Black;color:#FFD700;">BH</span>]]</span> 10:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:So you're saying I should try for three? Does the one about someone else posting insults on my talk page count or do I need to file another ANI myself? [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 10:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Quieter intelligence is the path == |
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You have probably realized the situation, here, by now. On Wikipedia, you can be highly intelligent, or very outspoken, but you can't be both. It appears you are doomed to remain intelligent, so you know the conclusion. I have written an essay, ''"[[WP:Adopting a quieter role]]"'' which gives more details. People are hinting: you should play your cards close to the vest. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 13:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Actually, I'm scheduled for some invasive, destructive brain surgery that is quite likely to lower my intelligence. When I return, I expect to be promoted directly to ArbCom. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 16:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Idea == |
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This is only an idea, but perhaps it would be possible for you to draft the RfC as you see fit here in your user space? Once you've gotten it ready to go, it could be moved by proxy onto [[Talk:Sarah Palin]]? I figure this would require a reasonable "modification" of the topic restriction (say, to allow you to edit regarding the topic specifically at [[User:Dylan Flaherty/RfC draft]]), but it could be a way to begin working through the dispute resolution process constructively and collaboratively. For what it's worth, I would absolutely support such a modification if you and [[User:Gwen Gale]] think it could work. <small><span class='nounderlines' style="text-decoration:none"><font face="tahoma"><font color="#df1620">[[user:jæs|'''jæs''']]</font> <font color="#6b6c6d">[[user talk:jæs|<small>(talk)</small>]]</font></font></span></small> 10:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== hey man i found a citation for the == |
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[[What The Bleep Do We Know]] page can i uise this?? [[User:Smith Jones]] 17:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I was forced to revert your addition because it's a very specific claim of the sort that needs citation. If you were to reinsert it ''with'' a citation, I would not strongly object, although I'm still a bit unclear on why it would matter where he graduated from. On the other hand, you just reinserted it ''without'' a citation, and that's premature. I'd like you to remove it until you do have a reliable source to cite. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 17:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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What are you talking about?? i did put a citation to this link: <ref>http://www.hagelin.org/about.html</ref>. are you sure you reverted the right edit?? [[User:Smith Jones]] 17:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Please follow up on the article talk page. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 17:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::okay [[User:Smith Jones]] 17:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== User:Uncensored Kiwi == |
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I noted your screed on this user's talkpage; personally I would have blocked this user even ''without'' the Checkuser, as they're quite clearly the same editor, as the evidence provided by Viriditas shows. I am unsure why you would want to defend a user quite clearly evading a block, but that's up to you - it doesn't reflect well on you, though. (And FWIW - I am definitely no friend of Palin) [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Black_Kite|(c)]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I admire your confidence, but I cannot share it. Regardless of whether we might personally ''suspect'' that he's a sock, I stand by my statement about the inadequacy of a "likely" match on a basis that, as best as we can tell, is no stronger than general geography. |
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:This is a ''very'' low bar. Consider that it's quite likely the case that the majority of people editing [[Golden Gate Bridge]] are living right next to it, so a "likely" match is actually quite likely even when there is no connection other than a shared interest in a local landmark. Of course, that's our best guess about the basis of the claimed match, since the whole process is completely lacking in transparency. |
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:It might help to note that I was personally the target of a false sock accusation recently. While the attempt to link me to an obviously unrelated person failed, they did succeed in linking four IP's from three parts of the country, none of which were near the editor's known location. I consider this highly suspect, along with the fact that the editor was not previously banned, but had simply stopped editing. The net effect was that they were banned for the actions of likely unrelated people, and now if they should return, they will find the door locked. |
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:Wikipedia does a fine job of biting newbies and generally scaring away, burning out and insulting the people who come here to help. This will not end well. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 18:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:: This isn't similar at all. I think you need to read the SPI and the evidence provided by Viriditas. If this editor is ''not'' [[User:BlueRobe]], then they are (a) managing to edit from the same ISP (including at one point the ''same IP address''), (b) editing in the same areas as them, and (c) using identical phrasing and wording to them, including some quite obscure stylistic phrases ''and'' similar personal attacks. Does this seem possible to you if they're different people? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Black_Kite|(c)]] 18:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I don't want to debate this endlessly, but some of the circumstantial evidence isn't particularly convincing. For example, the wording similarities are fully explicable in terms of quaint regionalisms. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 18:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::: The circumstantial evidence merely backs up the more solid evidence. Still, as you say, this isn't worth debating endlessly. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Black_Kite|(c)]] 18:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Your comment at [[Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict]] == |
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I undid your comment at said talk page. Please be advised that talk pages are only meant for discussing the ''content of the article'', not the editing history of any particular editor. Also please read [[WP:CIVIL]]; your insinuations at [[User talk:Greyshark09#WhiteShark1967]] are not acceptable. --[[User:Frederico1234|Frederico1234]] ([[User talk:Frederico1234|talk]]) 19:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I'm not going to bother edit-warring to restore the comment, but you were entirely out of line. Don't do that again. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 20:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:: I'm sorry if I upset you. That was honestly not my intention. I will not revert any of your future talk page comments again. But please be aware that there is a guideline for commenting on talkpages: [[WP:TALK]]. Also see [[WP:NPA]]--[[User:Frederico1234|Frederico1234]] ([[User talk:Frederico1234|talk]]) 20:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I am familiar with WP:NPA, and this was not a personal attack by any measure. Discussing an editor's history is entirely relevant to establishing some context by which we can calibrate against their bias. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 20:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Koch == |
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Um, to save me reading that whole talk page, can you give me a summary? Or better yet put it on the talk page so others can comment? I hate to have to read up on a talk page where mostly people are quarreling. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:3px 8px 5px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__[[User_talk:Becritical|Talk]]</sub> 21:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:To be quite frank, if I was capable of wading through the complaints to identify the ones that haven't already been dealt with in one direction or the other, I would have fixed the problem myself long ago. At this point, it's looking as though there may not be any concrete complaints, and the tags intended to remain there permanently as badges of shame. That's my take on it, anyhow. Perhaps a new set of eyes will see more than mine can. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 21:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::Okay I'll ask the people who have the complaints to give a summary on the talk page. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:3px 8px 5px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__[[User_talk:Becritical|Talk]]</sub> 23:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::As it happens, I've tried that, as has MBMadmirer, without much effect. But this may be a matter of personalities, so by all means do whatever you think will work. Every bit helps. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 23:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Sigh? == |
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Dylan, I have done my best to be respectful of you, but [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tea_Party_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=403272755&oldid=403272574 this] really isn't a constructive response to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tea_Party_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=403242846&oldid=403241276 a question.] If I'm missing something obvious, perhaps you could break it down for someone like me, who doesn't have a high level of intellect? [[User:Kelly|<span style="color:#060;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''Kelly'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kelly|hi!]]</sup> 01:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Kelly, please find trouble on someone else's talk page. We're all out. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 01:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== TPM == |
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I dunno. I haven't followed the recent discussion. I just happened to notice that one edit and the very clumsy syntax. I'm sure there are other who could be quoted, but personally I don't think quotes should be used in intros - too specific. Intros should be high level summaries. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]] </b> 07:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Will, the issue here is that the clumsy edit came as part of removing sources. By fixing the bad syntax, you might be seen as tacitly endorsing what is, in my view, a version that conflicts with our sources. If you have the patience for this, you can look [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tea_Party_movement&oldid=403313734#POV_violation_and_edit-warring here] for more detail. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 07:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== ANI discussion == |
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Hi. Your username is being mentioned at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#admins are abusing their power]]. [[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contribs]]) 22:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Why do I have to hear this from ''you'' and not official channels? For the second time, I've been falsely accused of socking, without so much as notification. Whatever happened to due process? Or do the admins who enforce these rules consider themselves above them? [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 00:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::What do you mean, "official channels"? (And notification of socking ''is'' considered optional, per [[WP:SPI]] instructions.) — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 10:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::I notified you because it's part of the [[WP:WQ|wikiquette]] to notify someone when their name is being mentioned somewhere on-wiki. [[User:Heymid|<span style="color:green;">Hey</span>]][[User_talk:Heymid|<span style="color:red;">'''''Mid'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Heymid|contribs]]) 10:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Heymid, to be clear, I'm not complaining that you notified me; actually, I'm grateful. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 13:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:ANI]] == |
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See [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Dylan_Flaherty]]. [[User:THF|THF]] ([[User talk:THF|talk]]) 03:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Hopeful == |
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[[Image:Adoracao dos magos de Vicente Gil.jpg|left|200px]]{{quotation|'''Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.'''}} |
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*Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Nail this to your User talk door. Maybe visitors will read it. [[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 07:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thank you, but Santa just put a few lumps of coal into my stocking. [[User:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Dylan</font>]] [[User Talk:Dylan Flaherty|<font size=3 color=#007f00 face="Script MT Bold, cursive">Flaherty</font>]] 13:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Your editing privileges have been suspended indefinitely == |
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<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''indefinitely''' from editing for [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. If you would like to be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}} below this notice, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. </div><!-- Template:uw-block --><!-- Template:uw-blockindef --> Wikipedia is designed to be a collegiate, consensual and respectful editing project. When you are able to properly reflect these attributes, or at least convince an admin you are willing to try, then you may be unblocked. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 13:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=Block is inexplicable and punitive. Dylan Flaherty 4:54 pm, Today (UTC+3) | decline=The block is because of your combative and aggressive style is not compatible with a collaborative system such as we have at Wikipedia. I have to say that you need to show some understanding of what is wrong with your approach to disagreement before we con look at this substantively. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 14:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)}} |
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==Warning== |
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To the vultures that have landed and to those that are circling above: User:Flaherty is not carrion yet. Please be courteous and wait till all signs of life have ceased.[[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 14:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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: No shit, Sherlock. Someone's blocked off the Internets. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dylan_Flaherty&direction=next&oldid=383664498] [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 14:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure what you mean, Watson. Can you clarify? [[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 14:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::The [http://xkcd.com/386/ comic linked to on the userpage] suggests that this person puts the internet above real life and needs to step away from the computer every once in a while... rather ironic, really! [[User:Barts1a|Barts1a]] | [[User_Talk:Barts1a|Talk to me]] | [[User:Barts1a/complaints and constructive criticism|Yell at me]] | Merry Christmas to all! 23:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks for providing an easier link to the comic page. I think it just suggests that he has a sense of humor. I especially like [http://xkcd.com/833/ this] one.[[User: Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:Buster7|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk</em>''']]</small> 13:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Impostor? == |
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{{anchor|Retired}} |
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I've blanked this section as it's unneccessary and confusing. I've left the anchor just in case. [[User:Ged UK|<font color="green">Ged</font>]][[User talk:Ged UK|<font color="orange">'''''UK'''''</font> ]] 12:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Conclusions == |
== Conclusions == |
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Revision as of 18:42, 24 December 2010
ASSASSINATED
This user was politically assassinated.
Conclusions
Yes, this[1] was an obvious imposter, most likely the AfricaTruth/AfricanTruth person[2].
I'll leave you with a puzzle. Here are three recent statements made on Wikipedia. One comes from a respected admin who's notable enough to have a biographical article, another from a famous lawyer who likewise has a biographical article, and one was the statement that got an old Irish man indefinitely banned as a menace to Wikipedia. See if you can match them up without cheating.
- "I see [he is] overwhelming ANI again with lots of lies." [3]
- "Thank you so much for piling on. I will give your opinion exactly as much weight as I have always given it."[4]
- "Are you an idiot, or only pretending to be one?"[5]
What makes one worse than the other? Here's a hint: two of them are heavily involved in conservative politics, while one is just an ordinary guy whose lifelong conservativism is tempered with principle, piety and kindness.
In my short time here, I believe I've done much good, but I've also twice been falsely accused of being a sock, banned from interacting with an unstable individual who stalked my edits and banned from even talking about the idea of making Sarah Palin slightly more neutral. Entirely by "coincidence", before the Palin ban could expire so I could launch an RfC, many of the same people who have opposed my edits all along managed to pile on to an AN/I report to have my ban broadened to the entire site and extended indefinitely. And, of course, it's now a certainty that any number of people who, in the future, support some of the changes I've made will be falsely identified as my sock and permanently blocked.
I'm told that it would be easy to get the indefinite block removed: all I'd have to do is lie. I would need to play a particular role, where I'm contrite, admit guilt, and promise never to sin again. I should throw myself at the feet of the lynch mob and beg them to take me back, accepting onerous conditions that would prevent me from actually doing anything upon my return. I think it should be very clear why that would require undermining my own integrity and would be entirely unacceptable.
Wikipedia gets the editors it deserves. I'll leave it at that. Dylan Flaherty 18:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)