Talk:Arkady Babchenko

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A fact from Arkady Babchenko appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 June 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko and the Security Service of Ukraine faked Babchenko's murder in order to arrest assassins who were actually planning to kill him? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arkady Babchenko.

Was the fake death only a Propaganda Action of Ukraine?--88.66.140.92 (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you proposing any improvement(s) to this article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1. The "early life" section says he was banned in June 2022 (does this really count as early in his life?), while the "Ukraine" section says he "In April 2019 he said that he was permanently banned from Facebook." While potentially not contradictory (if he was lying or incorrect in 2019), clarification would be nice.

2. I don't know anything about the Russian or Ukrainian languages, I assume these are two different romanizations? 75.73.176.80 (talk) 06:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely for #2. Ymblanter (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Theroadislong please stop vandalize the article[1]

The nickname is as important as the real name. Пинча (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone disagreeing with you about what belongs in the article isn't "vandalism". AntiDionysius (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced and trivial--VViking_TalkEdits 14:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they disagree with me they have to seek for a consensus, and to assume good intensions, maybe try to find other reliable sources, but not to delete my editings pretending that it is their own encyclopedia. Пинча (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, if you want to add something and others disagree, you have to seek consensus first. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources [2][3] checks out, and DW is a generally reliable source, but agree it seems trivial. Fwiw, I added his Twitter as an EL Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Babchenko is known by his nickname as well as by his name. It is like to say that nickname Stalin is trivia. Here is reliable source: As part of this, he is very active on social media, writing frequently on sites such as LiveJournal, where he posts at http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com as Starshinazapasa, which translates as “reserve Sergeant Major”; Twitter at @StarshinaZapasa, where at the time of writing he has over 142,000 followers; and Facebook, where at the time of writing he has over to 262,000 followers. He also blogs actively for sites such as Ekho Moskvy and Kasparov.ru., Trauma and Truth. Teaching Russian Literature on the Chechen Wars, p. 111[4] Пинча (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that was like "Stalin", that DW article would refer to him as "Старшины запаса" throughout the text. As it is, they mention it. This WP-article hardly mentions his social media at all. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The important fact is that the subject is an active blogger. The book is a reliable source. So I added this information to the article. So what is the problem here? Why was this edition[5] reveted, and why was I threatened?[6] Пинча (talk) 16:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it because clearly his nickname and discussion of his blogging are things not everyone agrees belong in the article, and you should establish consensus before adding them. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that you should establish a consensus before deleting true information despite the article is quite pure. But nevertheless, what is wrong now? I have proved that the subject is an active blogger so it has to be added to the article. Пинча (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could say that - you would be incorrect.

What is wrong is that you have not established consensus for a controversial edit. Just because something can be sourced does not mean it "has to be added" to the article. Lots of things that are true don't appear on Wikipedia. The dispute was never over whether it was true, but whether it was sufficiently relevant/notable to be included. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That said, the source looks ok at a glance (Academic Studies Press), but the proposed text

"He is very active on social media, writing frequently on sites such as LiveJournal, where he posts at as Starshinazapasa, which translates as “reserve Sergeant Major”. He also blogs actively for sites such as Ekho Moskvy and Kasparov.ru."

is too WP:COPYPASTE. Could use a "as of". That aside, I think it's reasonable-ish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So improve it and add to the article because I was threatened that I would be banned for it. Пинча (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:AntiDionysius That is, a reverter is always right. He does not need to search for information, he is not threatened with a ban, he always has good intensions. But everybody has to prove to a reverter the he is not a vandal, or as we say "Try to prove that your are not a camel!" Now we have a quotation by Academic Studies Press, but everybody is threatened with a ban, and nobody will add it. So it is better to left an article in this poor form than try to improve something. So please take this quotation and add it to the article by yourself, and I will revert it. Пинча (talk) 23:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What? AntiDionysius (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please take this quotation and add it to the article by yourself Пинча (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine, thanks. AntiDionysius (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is what I am saying: a reverter is always fine. Пинча (talk) 00:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now if you are so fine, please take this quotation and add it to the article by yourself. Thank you. Пинча (talk) 00:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to do that. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you are not fine: you are sick. Пинча (talk) 00:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You weren't 'threatened'. You were informed that contributors are expected to conform to Wikipedia norms, and informed of the potential consequences of not doing so. Which include not repeatedly describing good-faith edits as 'vandalism', and also include being prepared to engage in discussions over disputed content. As for the article itself, possibly it needs to discuss Babchenko's blogging activities more. If properly-sourced content doing that is included, we might then have a reason to discuss his nickname. Merely claiming that it is 'important' is no justification for inclusion. The source you cite above looks useful, but I can't see any particular reason why it should be cited for his nickname, mentioned once in passing, rather than for its more substantive commentary. Are there other sources which discuss the nickname? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DW [7] mentions it as well, I think it can be mentioned in connection with his blogging/whatever. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just imagine if you used your efforts for finding sources and adding information! Once again. He is an active blogger and it is mentioned even in the book I had added to the article.[8] Пинча (talk) 16:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Пинча, I think the most important thing to remember here is to have some patience. You already have a few editors saying that it might be good to add some version of this content. It usually takes time to build consensus, don't expect people to change their opinions immediately when you want them to. They will want to see verification from reliable sources, sometimes multiple sources. Look at the changes long term, not within an hour or two. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These could be useful sources for him being a blogger [9] and [10] but they don’t mention his nickname. Theroadislong (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what is the problem with the Academic Studies Press?[11][12] As part of this, he is very active on social media, writing frequently on sites such as LiveJournal, where he posts at http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com as Starshinazapasa, which translates as “reserve Sergeant Major”; Twitter at @StarshinaZapasa, where at the time of writing he has over 142,000 followers; and Facebook, where at the time of writing he has over to 262,000 followers. He also blogs actively for sites such as Ekho Moskvy and Kasparov.ru. Пинча (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]