Property talk:P3217
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Salgo60 in topic Described in source - is it necessary?
Documentation
Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID
entry in the Dictionary of Swedish National Biography
entry in the Dictionary of Swedish National Biography
Explanations [Edit]
Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) is a biographical dictionary.
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Single value, SPARQL
Type “human (Q5), family (Q8436)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), family (Q8436)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Eric and Eric (Q15077597), Ivar Vidfamne (Q1250145), Ingjald (Q130896), Eadgils (Q2608009)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Type Q5, Q8436, SPARQL
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
Qualifiers “part of (P361), page(s) (P304), title (P1476), author (P50), retrieved (P813), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), subject named as (P1810), alternative name (P4970)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Entity types
Label required in languages: sv: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: sv (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Label in 'sv' language, search, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Scope, SPARQL
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Error reports
Contact:
use text box on the page of the profile at SBL
Languages: Swedish (Q9027)
Ideally this information should be moved to the item for the reference and be transcluded from there.
| Error type | Item(s) affected | Description/Duplicates | Exception | Reported | Resolved (also unpublished) | Resolved and published | Wikidata updated |
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| more problems | see also List "Ett hundratal födelse- och/eller dödsdatum som inte är entydiga i SBL-artiklarna på webben" and Category d:Category:P3217_Error | 2018-04-19 UTC |
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| calendar problem at SBL | Emanuel Nobel (Q962364) | SBL 8145 has a julian date for birth | 2018-01 UTC | ||||
| used calendar at SBL is a little bit unclear | Anna Riwkin-Brick (Q563086) | SBL 6778 has 10 (g st) / 23 (n st) for birth which I guess is Julian and Gregorian | 2018-03 UTC | ||||
| wrong birth date Anders Jönsson correct is 25 dec 1883 | Anders Jönsson (Q5895722) | SBL 12290 has 1883-12-30 compare Gärdslövs kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/LLA/13131/C I/7 (1871-1894), bildid: 00120485_00051 | 2018-03-25 UTC | 2018-03-27 UTC | 2018-03-27 UTC | 2018-04-12 UTC | |
| 2 birth dates in SBL | Erik Lindegren (Q1276321) | SBL 10505 bildid: A0013185_00022 | 2018-04-18 UTC | 2018-04-18 UTC | |||
| 2 death dates in SBL | Johan Lindegren (Q4261948) | SBL 10506 | 2018-04-18 UTC | - |
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Described in source - is it necessary?
edit@Esquilo: Hi! I have removed the constraint related to described by source (P1343)Dictionary of Swedish National Biography (Q379406) because it seems redundant to me: in general external identifiers don't require described by source (P1343), since it's evident that, if the ID is present in the item, the item is described in the source which constitutes the ID. described by source (P1343) is obviously useful when there isn't an external ID related to the source. For this reason I would be inclined to remove both the constraint and the existing claims. What's your opinion? --Epìdosis 14:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- I see it the other way around; If someone use the property described by source (P1343) one does not expect sources to be missing just because they happen to have an external identifier. /ℇsquilo 16:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Now ongoing general discussion here. --Epìdosis 10:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the need either. P1343 should be used if there is no dedicated property (such as P3217). --- Jura 07:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- described by source (P1343) is always good as that give a good overview what sources are used
- for Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) we have
- articles about a person --> The person in Wikidata is exact match (Q39893449)
- articles about a family --> The person in Wikidata is narrow match (Q39893967) i.e. Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) should just be set in described by source (P1343)
- for Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) we have
- - Salgo60 (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Salgo60: I agree that in case of narrow match (Q39893967) having described by source (P1343) is surely pertinent; but in case of exact match (Q39893449) with Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) the use of P1343 seems superfluous, isn't it? --Epìdosis 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: I see it as a good pattern --> We currently have a "dataset" containing over 3,500 Swedish PM people since 1867, which streamlines the process of identifying sources associated with these individuals. However, it appears that library references like VIAF and ISNI are not added to the "described by source" described by source (P1343). I feel this highlights a shortcoming of open platforms like Wikidata, where each user has unique needs and use-cases. In our specific instance, concerning Swedish PM members, Wikidata is used in a research project that extensively employs this data for machine learning activities and TEI, as can be seen in the GitHub repository "Riksdagens Corpus."
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- another argument why care about Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) is that it is very high quality and the best historical data for Swedish history bios and has a been created during more than 100 years BUT they dont understand linked data so we have to make it valuable for people doing research by using Wikidata
- P1343 SPARQL on those Swedish PM 1865 <-> 1971
- Property dashboard
- - Salgo60 (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Salgo60: I agree that in case of narrow match (Q39893967) having described by source (P1343) is surely pertinent; but in case of exact match (Q39893449) with Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) the use of P1343 seems superfluous, isn't it? --Epìdosis 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- described by source (P1343) is always good as that give a good overview what sources are used
Notebook for synch Wikidata and SBL
editThis Notebook has been created for keeping Wikidata P3217 and SBL in synch. Possibilities for improvements plus we hope that the National Archive creates an API - Salgo60 (talk) 10:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)