User talk:Bgsu98

Welcome Bgsu98!

-Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 00:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I noticed you made a minor edit to the "Traditions" section on the Spartans Drum Corps Wikipedia page, which is removing the "Pre-Show Hype" section. It's a bit insignificant, I know. Just to be clear, I am by no means a moderator or admin: nor am I disappointed that you deleted it (I actually approve and endorse it). But I am curious as to why you felt that it was necessary. My assumption is that there were not sufficient sources to cite; which would explain why but just wanted to get your perspective on what was wrong with it.

Tv.Rule (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of the biggest complaints I’ve seen about the Drum Corps pages on Wikipedia is that they are overflowing with excessive and esoteric details. I’m seeing drum corps pages being deleted for not meeting Wikipedia standards, so I’m trying to clean them up to prevent that from happening. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgsu98, I see you're trying to go through and trim some of the OLTL character pages, and it's much appreciated. I know how hard it can be to wrangle those pages, which is often why I end up using the nuclear option. Just so you know what I'm thinking when I remove all that content, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Soap_Operas#Plot_summaries says that the standard character summary should be around 500 words. Natalie Buchanan, even after your edits, is still over 2700 words. Even accounting for certain major characters having longer summaries--say, double the 500--her page is still far too long to be appropriate for a good wikipedia article. Hopefully that gives you a target if you continue to trim those down, but regardless, thanks for your edits. Cheers, Alyo (chat·edits) 00:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not done with the Natalie article at all. I just had to take a break! Bgsu98 (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haha all good! I just wanted to flag the one sort-of-agreed-upon guideline in this area. Keep it up! Alyo (chat·edits) 00:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know how the article looks now. I think it’s still kind of wordy, but she was on the show for over a decade. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Better than it was. I would probably still try to trim it a little more, but it's nowhere near as egregious. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken a break from Natalie; I will try to come back to her tomorrow. I worked on Jessica today, and am working on Rex right now. That’s a big one! 😳 Bgsu98 (talk) 01:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Significantly better! Alyo (chat·edits) 18:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I hope you are well. I see you're nominating a lot of articles for deletion just now. It is an area that I'm active too. I request that you provide slightly more detailed justifications. Lots of yours are just two or three words. It would be helpful for those who wish to contribute to the debate if they had more background - for example a very brief summary of what you found (or if you found nothing at all) from all the google books, google scholar, google news searches etc. That information would help others participate in the discussion.

Just a humble request. CT55555 (talk) 23:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you for the suggestion! Bgsu98 (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed you've been trying to MOS:ACCESS-ify several of the Big Brother articles, and have gotten quite a bit of pushback. Just wanted to thank you for the work you've put into it since I know it can be discouraging when your edits are reverted. A lot of editors like to go strictly by precedent and think it can override larger guidelines. We went through the same trouble when we replaced the old Template:Big Brother sidebar with Template:Infobox reality competition season, replacing the large paragraph summaries (Big Brother 16 (American season)#Summary) with Template:Episode table, and quite a few other things I could name. They'll hopefully warm up to it eventually. Let me know if there's anything I can help with! TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So I feel bad because I deleted the (Immune) underneath each instance of a Immune houseguest for BB22 and BB23, could this information be added as a note, like Note 2: Since Frenchie won HoH week 1, his entire team (Azah, Britini, and Derek F.) was immune for the week, that way this important information isn't only displayed by color, but also a footnote Edwyth (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That might work, but I believe the note would have to go in the individual cells and not just generically at the bottom of the table. Let me take a look. Bgsu98 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I added a note for every instance of Immunity in BB22 and BB23, if you prefer the note to be in each voting cell, I would prefer that over the (Immune) as that eats up so much space to be distracting to the eyes. Edwyth (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a note would look better. My first try didn't work; let me try another approach. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

if you look at Big Brother 22 (American season) I did it as a Superscript on Kaysar's and Janelle's voting cell, do you like that? Edwyth (talk) 08:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what it needs! Bgsu98 (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, I am glad we were able to work something out! I finished BB22, I'll do BB23 in a second. Edwyth (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like it looks clean and accessible! Edwyth (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's good! It's only necessary in cells where the background color doesn't match the text. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The edits I made on Big Brother 23 are perfectly compliant with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. This obsession you have with articles looking the way you want them to look is damaging to Wikipedia. I highly suggest you consider participating in activities outside the computer instead of dedicating so many hours to something so harmful and needless. Ugla'a (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed out to you precisely how those changes were not compliant. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again.. Your recent changes to Big Brother 23 (American season) included at least four problems that I counted.

• MOS:COLOR states that color cannot be the only method used to convey information. The colored cells down the left column are inappropriate.
• MOS:SMALL states that font size cannot go below 85%. Since the table is already set at 85%, using <small> tags causes the font to go below 85% and it is too small to read.
• MOS:DTAB requires that tables include appropriate row and column headers, which you removed. The ! scope="row" is required in order to meet accessibility guidelines.
• You removed several superscripts which were inserted in order to convey important information that was otherwise only conveyed via cell color. This was a good compromise that another user came up with in order to avoid cluttering the cells with things like (Immunity) and so on. Users relying on screen-readers cannot access the notes at the bottom of the table and they need to be included in the individual cells to which they apply.

Bgsu98 (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The current(smaller) page is a good compromise, that can be used as a baseline for other articles. Please don't make the names column massive like you did originally though. Ugla'a (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That must have been a mistake; I never intended to widen that column. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask why you are making all of the (none) columns gray? I thought the point was to remove color. Ugla'a (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, why are you deleting all the have-nots from previous seasons? That is definitely verifiable information that has impact on the game. Edwyth (talk) 08:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwyth... I'm sorry, I missed this message. Per Wikipedia:Fancruft, "too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan, when its exclusion would not significantly harm the factual coverage as a whole." These articles are already too long as it is with far too much minutiae and details. This isn't a fan wiki. The have-nots situation ultimately has no effect on the outcome of the game; it doesn't effect nominations or decide who goes home. It's just a list of names. The show barely even addresses it on the television broadcasts. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just weighing in on this, I think the Have-Not information could be useful, but I never understood it needing it's own independent section and table. It could just as easily fit into the episode summaries since it's [typically] shown in the episodes. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a mention of it in the overall summary (the section that explains how the show works) is fine, but there doesn't need to be a separate table with players listed by week when that information ultimately has no impact on the outcome of the game. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		The Accessibility Barnstar
		You definitely deserve this for the work you've put in on Big Brother articles the last few weeks. This will significantly help in the longterm. Keep up the great work!!! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey friend! Didn’t want to post this on the notes of BB24 and since I feel like you are the boss of everything I wanted to show you this. This was the draft I did for showing partners on the voting table… I know you said not to worry about it but I feel like it’s important information to show on the table. If you hate it or thing it’s unnecessary no worries at all :) It’s just hard trying to propose things or bounce ideas around on here lmao. Let me know what you think!

E51539 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it posted weird, just realized my mistake 😭 E51539 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First off, just to clarify, I’m not the boss of anything. Secondly, the row header (the cell with the player’s name) has to be the first element in the row, so that column of colored cells down the left is inappropriate. The partners are already listed above, so this is redundant. We already eliminated these from previous seasons’ tables. This adds confusion for a twist that will last, at most, two or three weeks. Bgsu98 (talk) 21:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thank you! Sorry if my tone came across wrong, I wasn’t saying that you were the boss as a rude thing, you’re just the expert and I value your opinion! Thanks for all you’ve been doing! E51539 (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 24 August 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Michael Malone (author), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 21:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Amazing Race 1. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Please take your edits to the talk page per WP:BRD. Arguably your edits have made the table worse off than before. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you also explain how the table in its current state (before your revision) violates WP:ACCESS? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The notations for eliminated, last place but not eliminated, and fast forward were not appropriately notated as to be accessible per MOS:ACCESS. Additionally, your reversions have removed the row and column scope headers which are also required. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan 1234: I see you left the new contestant tables intact, which I'm sure you will agree were glaringly missing from these pages. Unfortunately, I had made an error on the pit stop locations on both tables, and corrected myself in a follow-up edit, which your reversions wiped out. That's what happens when you blindly hit REVERT and don't actually look at what's been done. The results table was already halfway to being acceptable per MOS:ACCESS, with the superscript notations, but it still needed to have the information that is otherwise conveyed by red, blue, or green font to be conveyed via superscript notation as well. MOS:COLOR states that color cannot be the only means of conveying information, as I know you are aware. The table also needed the correct row and column headers which your reversions also removed. I removed a few of the notations that did not in any way affect team placements. This isn't a fan wiki; it's a placement table and unless the notation explains why a team placed where they did, or changed placements between legs, it qualifies as Fancruft, so I removed it. As for the changes to the general prose, if you don't like it, okay, no big deal. I think the leads are too scarce. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you reverted my edits on The Amazing Race 34, as it doesn't violate any of the MOS rules you have listed above. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I would like to inform you the message on my talk page was done in error as I did not make changes to the table formatting under MOS:Access. Please see my reply for more details. 9March2019 (talk) 11:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Mz7 (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mz7 Thank you so much! I appreciate it. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, relatively unimportant trivia like Ernie & Cindy getting married after the show, and including the guest list of their wedding, is okay to stay, but the literal death of a cast member is unimportant and has to be removed? That's pretty sick, tbh... 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:7935:C913:2965:474A (talk) 20:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If an event happened relatively soon after the season aired, then yes, it stays. If it happened years later, then no, it doesn't. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing anything in WP:NOTMEMORIAL that prevents adding contestant deaths. That policy prevents users from making pages for friends after they die. Xoruz (talk) 23:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have pinged an administer to comment here, but historically on the season articles of other reality shows like Survivor, Big Brother, or Dancing with the Stars, we don't include information about contestants who have died long after their season ended. Personally, I don't think personal information beyond a reasonable amount of time following a particular season is relevant to the article in question. Their death (or marriage, or divorce, or kids, or whatever) has nothing to do with the events of their particular season. On the other hand, if it's within a reasonably short amount of time (ie. an engaged couple who married within a year), then it might be worth noting. This isn't a fan wiki; it's an encyclopedic article about a particular season of a TV show. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doing something because it's always been that way is not official policy nor is including events within a reasonably short period of time policy as well. I would like an additional opinion, but I have not yet been told of an official policy prohibiting contestant deaths. Xoruz (talk) 03:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm saying is that administrator @Masem specifically removed the contestant death notations on the Survivor articles and cited Wikipedia:NOTAMEMORIAL as the reason. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And I believe that was a misinterpretation of the policy. Again, I would like to hear from Masem or any other administrator. Xoruz (talk) 03:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem, could you please chime in here, as you have removed contestant death notices from Survivor articles in the past citing Wikipedia:NOTAMEMORIAL. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I rarely write in en.wiki so I don't perfectly know how the deletion procedure works, but I think Riley McKibbin should have a page because he played at least two years in the higher Italian volleyball championship and two years in the higher Greek volleyball championship. Antenor81 (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]