Talk:Ba 'Alawi sada

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This article appears to use YouTube content as a source. Isn't that against Wikipedia's rules? Kabul madras (talk) 23:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove the parts of the article that reference YouTube content whose authenticity cannot be traced due to heavy editing. Kabul madras (talk) 07:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid YouTube if there's something better. If not it depends. See WP:RS. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Please add references according to Wikipedia's guidelines for citations from Shaikh Shauqi 'Allam. If no references are provided, I will edit the content for removal. Thank you. Kabul madras (talk) 07:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

orrr you could just add a ^{[citation needed]} tag instead till someone finds one Abo Yemen✉ 08:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll try to find some high-quality references on this topic first. If I can't find any, I'll have to edit the content to remove it. Kabul madras (talk) 08:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo YemenThe clearest quote from Shaikh Shauqi 'Allam that I could find is in the following link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJz-FgIL0yw . It turns out he permits the use of DNA testing to establish lineage, but rejects its use to deny lineage. In this context, he's referring to close lineage between father and child. Clearly, the content of this quote is significantly different from what's written in the article. I will revise the article to align with the content of this quote. Kabul madras (talk) 01:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the ongoing debate concerning the use of Y-DNA testing in tracing distant patrilineal ancestry, I invite several editors who appear to have a deeper understanding of this issue to contribute. I request the following users to provide their input on this article, particularly regarding the Y-DNA testing section. Thank you.@Waddie96@WOSlinker@Picantho@Materialscientist @HelenOnline @DenverCoder19@Fylindfotberserk@Ebizur@CaribDigita Kabul madras (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the debate was due to your original research and not "the use of Y-DNA testing in tracing distant patrilineal ancestry". There is absolutely no reason for pinging all these people... Abo Yemen✉ 15:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This section is given too much WP:UNDUE weight to the article. I have added this section to the article, The old Ba 'Alawi sada#Questionable lineage to Muhammad section that is full of OR and the questionable sources that I have mentioned in @Kabul madras's talkpage will should and will be removed along with the text that has nothing to do with the sources. Abo Yemen✉ 04:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. Let's take this to the noticeboard and get other admins involved. Kabul madras (talk) 05:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sure Abo Yemen✉ 06:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JBW,As you know,We're still talking about this on the noticeboard, but @ABo Yemen keeps editing the part we're arguing about. Is that okay? Kabul madras (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aorry @JBWWrong user , i mean is @Abo Yemen Kabul madras (talk) 05:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would be nice if you stopped creating new topics in the talk section for the exact same arguments. Plus JWB has stated this on your talkpage: "I prefer not to get involved in the dispute about content of the article" so please stop pinging him Abo Yemen✉ 06:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abo Yemen, I said I did not wish to become involved in the content dispute, but I also said that I did intend to deal with "the ways in which you can try to deal with that dispute", and I explicitly mentioned edit-warring as one of them which is not good. Kabul madras was totally right to draw my attention to the fact that you have continued the edit-war, and I have blocked you from editing. JBW (talk) 15:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JBW, while I have refrained from editing due to an ongoing dispute, @Buhadram continues to make substantial edits to the article. What should I do? Am I allowed to edit the newly modified sections, or should I continue to hold back? Kabul madras (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]