Talk:MSX

I think a section on the MSX amateur scene would be very nice? Grauw 15:28, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It really would be great. We can start a stub section and put a stub tag there. Hopefully someone will increase it with encyclopaedic information and it will evolve into something meaningfull. Loudenvier 21:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see some screenshots of good old stuff :) Guaka 02:11, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with screenshots is that they are copyrighted. It´s considered fair use only the use of one screenshot per article and in the article that is about the game or program alone. That´s why it´s very hard to put screenshots in the MSX article itself. Maybe it would be considered fair use if you put the screenshots that are already in wikipedia articles about MSX games. Since it´s impossible to get permission to use those images perhaps it´s considered fair use to some extent, but I´m no lawer. Loudenvier 21:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't Vampire Killer the first Castlevania game? If so then the Castlevania-part should be moved from: "Others got various installments on MSX, some including titles unique to the system or largely different to the games on other formats" to: "Several popular video game franchises were established on the MSX"

That is the case anyway... :). Just think of Metal Gear, or Puyo Puyo. But I believe you are right about Vampire Killer, although I’m not 100% sure, others should know. Grauw 20:48, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Neither Castlevania (Vampire Killer) nor Metal Gear started on the MSX

Where did Castlevania staterd then? Vampire Killer was Castlevania. So please, explain yourselves... 14:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

According to the article on Castlevania, Vampire Killer was indeed the first Castlevania game, but it was also released for the Famicom Disk System (which oddly isn't mentioned in the Vampire Killer article)... so it might be biased to leave the FDS out in this case — I don't know. --StuartBrady (Talk) 17:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I´m a die-hard MSX fan, but I´ve never learned about this fact that the Canon T90 had a memory interface that interfaced only with MSX (and back then at 1986). Impressive! Loudenvier 05:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. If you want a little more detail, go to the Data Memory Back manual in the external links in Canon T90. Wasn't sold in the US. —Morven 05:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

MSX in Soviet Union: I remember Yamaha MSX 2 installed in Computer Science Dept. in Moscow State University back in 1986. I was 10 at that time :-) Vugluskr 10:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Here in Brazil the MSX franchise was a frenzy. I lived in a building with 24 floors. I was the first to own an MSX computer (the Sharp´s Hotbit computer). After a year, every single friend of mine had one MSX of their own (I´m talking about 18 people living in a single building... Many of their own friends outside our building would end up owning a MSX too). I was 13 at that time, and a lot of my friends were 10 or 11 year old. Today they all have a broad understanding of computer science, and many of them earn a living with computers (myself included) solely because of good old MSX computers. We all abandoned our Atari 2600 and Intellivision in favor of MSX. Loudenvier 14:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"It was emulation of MSX machines that started the current emulation scene, mainly due to the work of Marat Fayzullin on the Z80 emulation." Could somebody please cite a source for this: it seems a rather bold claim to make without any evidence. Cheers --Pak21 17:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the begining almost every single emulator of Z80 was based on Marat Fayzullin sources, including MAME for example. f-MSX came before MAME. Certainly there were emulation before this: around 1986 two brazillian programmers wrote a ZX-Sinclair emulator for the MSX computer, but it had no overall impact. The scene as it stands today was started after f-MSX sources were made available, and gained momentum after Nicola Salmoria wrote MAME, and it´s Z80 emulation was based on F-MSX sources by Marat Fayzullin. It is fair to state that Marat Fayzullin´s f-msx emulator was a changing point in the emulation scene. Loudenvier 17:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the article could just mention that the Marat's work was influential and widely used in subsequent emulators, the leave out the sweeping claim about starting the current emulation scene. Mirror Vax 18:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's definitely not true from a ZX Spectrum point of view; none of the early emulators (say, Spectrum, JPP, Z80, Warajevo) were based on Marat's core. On the other hand, Marat does get credit for maintaining the original version of the comp.sys.sinclair FAQ. Most of the "Spectrum" knowledge of the Z80 comes from the TECHINFO.DOC as supplied with Z80. Mirror Vax's phrasing sounds good to me. --Pak21 21:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have no complaints about the changing prasing, but I still think that current emulation had it starting point with Marat´s work. Just go back in time and see when emulation really started to take off! Trying to avoid it could be a misleading step. But since the emulation article itself is not clear about current emulation scene origins, I cannot take the responsability of stating something as bold as what is being discussed here. So, let it be Mirror Vax´s phrasing!!! Regards, Loudenvier 12:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is this necessary? For one thing, Japanese people aren't "yellow", they're as "white" as Caucasians. I understand the writer was being satirical, but it comes across as sort of offensive and needless, at least IMO.

Keep up the good job! Loudenvier 13:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this article is in some serious need of cleanup - mostly in the area of grammar. I'll try and get to it myself as soon as I get some free time. --Bri 04:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Loudenvier - sorry... on a second look the problems with this article seem mostly to be in the lead paragraph and in the paragraph I reverted. I put the tag back but I'll proof the article right now and take it off again. --Bri 09:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! A good cleanup was already made! The MSX article is a very good one! I think we could propose it to the list of good articles with a litle more work, don't we? (good work fellows) Loudenvier 12:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MSX existed outside of the more successful Wintel model descended from the IBM PC

Considering that Windows 1.0 didn't appear until 1985, two years after MSX1, and that the first big-selling version of Windows (3.0) didn't come out until 1990, the same year as turbo R, is it really accurate to call Wintel "more successful"? For much of MSX's period of popularity, its rivals (at least here in Europe) were 8-bit machines such Sinclairs, Commodores and Amstrads. Not Wintel at all. Loganberry (Talk) 13:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very well pointed! I removed the reference to Wintel. It was a clear anachronism... Good work. Loudenvier 15:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the "Wintel" contributor. I understand your confusion and have no problem with the change. Hope this helps! Yakuman 18:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very good! Open-mindedness is a very good asset for one's personality :-) Regards. Loudenvier 20:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to you both! Mind you, I'm not even sure that the IBM PC or Intel references should be there at all: in 1985, say, practically nobody had a PC as a home computer for leisure purposes. (Again, I'm going on my British experience.) Loganberry (Talk) 22:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that this was this was another Microsoft attempt to build a platform that was similar, regardless of hardware vendor. It has to do with Microsoft's business model, not the MSX competing with the PC. Yakuman 23:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but "existed outside of the more successful IBM PC architecture" implies that it was contemporary with the PC, which isn't really the case. I've edited to make clear that the PC was (mostly) a later attempt at a standard. Loganberry (Talk) 23:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not get it clear what you'd mean. The MSX started with a dream by Nishi to produce a home-computer standard. Microsoft basicly provided the BASIC and BIOS. I did not think the MSX was a Microsoft led attempt as the article now states. I will find historical information to deny that. If it was led by Microfsoft it would clearly be aggressively marketed in the USA. There's a story that Nishi presented his plans to make the MSX to Bill Gates when they shared a flight and that Bill Gates told him they would support Nishi and the MSX. The patents for the MSX aren't owned by MS. It was pretty much strange for MS to allow such loose grasp of its property. The comparison, on my opinion, is indead with the IBM PC and Intel: MSX tried to create a standard outside the world of PC and Intel, but had nothing to do with Windows. Loudenvier 16:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your last sentence illustrates the point I'm making, actually. It implies that MSX was an attempt to work outside an existing standard, whereas I think it's important to make clear that the days of PCs as a standard for home computers were, in 1983, very much in the future. That's why I've made the small edit I mentioned above. Loganberry (Talk) 23:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The IBM-PC was meant to be a standard from inception and reached the market in 1981. The Personal computer article even lists the Amiga as personal computer. The MSX2/2+/Turbo R competed against the Amiga... I think the wording now reads like editorialization, which is not very well accepted on wikipedia. I will think about a new wording or I will delete the whole passage because it's really unecessary. Any reader will realize the MSX isn't an IBM-PC Compatible, so there's no need to say it explicitly, or even make comparisons of success between the PC and the MSX. A better suited comparison would be the MSX vs. Apple IIe's, ZX Spectrums or Amigas... Regards. Loudenvier 17:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've come up with this figure of unities of MSX computers sold on the internet [1] (portuguese only - sorry). This would make the MSX a best-selling computer by any standards. I think this kind of information should be made into the article, but a reliable source for that must be found. Anyone willing to make a litle research? Loudenvier 16:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that only 1 emulator(created by the guy who helped create the MSX) is LEGAL, does it make sense to basically have links to all these MSX emulators? TJ Spyke

The other emulators should be legal. Software is the problem. I'm not aware of anything that you can legally download for free. --StuartBrady (Talk) 13:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me (a lay Wikipedia observer) that a long-defunct console series wouldn't be a burning issue in gaming today. Quirk of an auto bot run, or is there some legitimate reason for it to be here?

Read the "MSX Revival" section. --StuartBrady (Talk) 14:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is totally related to current video game events. it is for the first time in about 20 years, but it's current. Zazaban 18:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the "current" template on the mentioned section because the current event is not at all about the MSX in general, but specific to some of it's games that will be available on the Wii, which obiviously shows how important MSX games were to the japanese people. This is a current event because it could be dropped, that's why the tag was placed there. Originally the tag read This article but I've changed it to read This article or section. Regards. Loudenvier 17:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article there's a mention of MSX emulation on the Virtual Console on the Wii website. The English-language site is lacking, so is there anywhere that can confirm this?-Seraya 04:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, here we go, a citation: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/features/virtual_console.html -Seraya 04:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]