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Southernmost glacier in Europe

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There is a section on Talk:Prokletije#Dubious discussing whether the Calderone glacier or one of the recently-discovered glaciers in the Prokletije mountains is the southernmost glacier in Europe. If anyone can find a real citation saying which one is more southern, that would be helpful.-Apocheir (talk) 17:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've gathered, it's possible glaciers in Prokletije/Albanian Alps may be slightly farther south than Calderone, though we don't have a coordinate anywhere that I've seen for a specific glacier. Snezhnika in Bulgaria is indisputably farther south than both of them. However, the glaciers in Albania and Bulgaria are known as 'glacierets' in Snezhnika's case (described as a remnant of a former glacier) and 'glacial masses' in the case of Prokletije; the question of whether those qualify as glaciers is not in my bailiwick. There are definitely glacial lakes throughout Southeastern Europe, but there may not be active glaciers(?) I'd say we leave it until it's conclusively otherwise.73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review of the sources, it appears the Albanian 'masses' are also referred to as glaciers, and while there aren't coordinates, the latitude would almost certainly be lower than Calderone. I changed it to 'one of the southernmost.'73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Abruzzo is Central Italy (Like Lazio) and Not Southern

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Abruzzo is Central Italy and classifying it as Southern is a misclassification. Molise below it is also not considered Southern Italy. Campagna and Puglia are the gates of Southern Italy. Lstoller86 (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both ISTAT and EUROSTAT state that Abruzzo and Molise are in Southern Italy, which is definitely a statistical area (not a geographical one).--3knolls (talk) 06:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strange to use a geographical nomer to distinguish a place based on “statistical area” which means what exactly …population size ? If that’s what it means Why isn’t marche southern italy then ? I don’t know of any Italian who consider Abruzzo southern Italy. Central yes and definitely not north but not south.
ps 3knolls nothing personal…I have no doubts what you represented is the case 76.91.2.147 (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed that is not a rare case. E.g. Delaware is included in the Southern United States by the Census Bureau, although it's not geographically southern..--3knolls (talk) 06:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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Some of the sources here seem to not be what one would usually call "reliable". In particular, the source sapere.it appears to be created by an advertising company (and the ads on the pages are substantial!). The company, Media Data Factory, describes itself as an advertising company here and other places, like LinkedIn. Weirdly it gives this as its home page. Does anyone know more about this site? Is it a kind of wiki? Where has the content come from? There are no authors or editors listed that I could find. Lamona (talk) 05:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We extensevely use sapere.it in it.wiki, its a reliable source since its the online version of De Agostini encyclopedia.--Saya χαῖρε 14:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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