Template talk:IPA/Archive 6

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I have just downloaded the upgrades for Internet Explorer 7 (version 7.0.5730.11), and I am sorry to say that the template {{IPA}} does not work well with it -- from what I can see, many diacritic modifiers to main IPA symbols show up as little square boxes, despite the use of the template (for an example, look at the dental affricate in the phoneme chart of the Wari' language). With the previous version of Internet Explorer everything went fine. Is there someone with the necessary template-making expertise who could fix this problem? --Smeira 12:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC) [Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Phonetics by  Andreas  ^(T) 13:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)]

Let someone add polish interwiki - pl:Szablon:IPA Dodecki 14:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Could interwiki links for these languages be added? Thank you. :) --Kjoonlee 03:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 03:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Browsing Canadian Gaelic, I find that the IPA sequences are illegible. The main problem seems to be the ' ' entities, which are appearing as the letters "THSP" in a box, as in the image on the right (a screengrab of my browser's attempt to render the first example in 'Phonology'). The associated text is:

 {{IPA|/ ʟ /}}

I'm using Mozilla 1.7.2 ("Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803"); I'm not sure how to find out what font it is picking up. Hv 15:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki does not know about  ; you will have to use the corresponding numeric entity. --cesarb 17:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not sure what that means: why should MediaWiki need to know about it? And is that a collective you, as in: nobody should be using   in any WP pages? If so, I hope there is a bot fixing things up, because it doesn't sound like fun to do by hand. Hv 10:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki uses a whitelist approach. This means that only entities it knows about will work. You can also request at bugzilla that thinsp be added to the list. --cesarb 10:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There should be some lang attribute added to this, such as lang="x-IPA", to signify that the text is not in standard English. —155.33.61.98 06:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Is this documented somewhere? That is, what is the correct value for lang here? CMummert · talk 14:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

RFC 1766 would appear to be the relevant document. Any code starting 'x-' can be used safely, it seems; if there is a code for IPA, it would be one of the 'Codes of 3 to 8 letters may be registered with the IANA by anyone who feels a need for it', and I'm not sure if any of those codes have been registered. (Google doesn't seem to help tracking down the relevant information; references to the RFC are easy enough to find, but none of them mention the actual list of registered 3+-letter codes.) --ais523 17:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

If these pages are right, the correct syntax would be lang="en-fonipa". [1] [2] Does that look right to you? CMummert · talk 18:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I've found the official IANA page on that linked from the websites you mention: [3]. Searching for 'IPA' indeed reveals that '-fonipa' is a suffix that identifies IPA used as the script. On the other hand, 'en' before the hyphen implies that it's the pronunciation of English, whereas it might be the pronunciation of some other language in the tag. So either we give IPA a parameter for the main language code, or we're stuck without the -fonipa designation. (I'm temporarily removing {{editprotected}} until it's decided what we want to do here.) --ais523 18:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. I would be glad to make the protected edit, but it's not obvious to me what the right thing is. I'm going to post a pointer to this on WP:VP/T to get more eyes on it. CMummert · talk 18:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, I thought of lang="{{{2|en}}}-fonipa" as a possible solution, but I agree that this needs more input first. --ais523 18:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be great to have the Template:IPA article placed into Category:IPA so that editors would be more aware of its existence. Or would placing this talk page in the category be an acceptable alternative? --Blainster 20:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} . That seems to be a category of articles; I don't think we should put a template in there, because of Wikipedia:Self reference. CMummert · talk 17:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Not too long ago, most people putting IPA pronunciation into an article usually preceded it with a wikilink (IPA) to the IPA article to explain what it was. Now many of them use this template instead, perhaps thinking it might provide such a link, which it doesn't. I would like to see a link included in the template, if it would not make excessive work looking for instances in which the link was already separately provided. --Blainster 17:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems there is an alternate template, {{IPA2}} available, which does include the IPA wikilink I suggested. --Blainster 16:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you please link sv:Mall:IPA? Thanks, – SmiddleTC@ 17:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

--Kjoonlee 17:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)