User:Wiki Raja/Template:Template for Deletion Case

Template:Dravidian topics

The template violates WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. We usually have template for similar types of languages, similar types of music, martial arts, states of a given country etc, but this template combines groups of history, geography, politics, languages, dance, music, cinema and martial arts together. This is a hindrance to the pages which it is used on. --Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom; nothing else to say. ~ Arjun 02:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete this does look a little random - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 02:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete reasonable. Plus, I think the generalized race-based template is a possible problem - how many articles will a Caucasian or African template be linking? I don't think one has to keep classifying an article in 15 different ways. Rama's arrow 02:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom.

Comment - The word "Dravidian" has several widely differing meanings depending on context. This template mixes all of them and presents a confused picture. Primarily, the word is used as a term to refer to a group of languages that are linguistically related. Then, we have Dravidian architecture which has nothing to do with linguistics and is only a style of architecture. Then we have the "Dravidian race" which has no sanction among academics and scholars. This again has nothing to do with either linguistics or architecture. Then, we have scattered mentions of this term in few works of literature. About these mentions, there is no consensus about what the meanings are and in any case, these again, have nothing to do with linguistics. There are probably few other connotations too, but none of these have anything to do with each other. Mixing them all up under one roof is certainly OR. Sarvagnya 02:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Delete per above, this is not a template of related topics, really, but a template of various subjects which share the adjective "Dravidan", not always meaning the same thing. -Amarkov moo! 02:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete per Amarkov. Khoi khoi 03:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete - Nareklm 03:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete, indiscriminate collection of information.--§hanel 03:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete The meaning of Dravidian on these topics vary greatly. Strong Speedy Delete The template is only used on user-talk pages. Absurd. Gizza^Chat ^© 07:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment That is because of an edit war in the process of which it was removed from all articles where it was used (only one editor was trying to include it and many were trying to remove it). For example, see [1]. So that shouldn't be a reason for deletion.

However, there are other issues. What this template does is provide uniform links to articles related to the cultures of a group of people who speak related languages. To give an analogy, it is like having a Template:Uralic topics which has links to all articles like the Kalevala, Joiks, Samoyed dog, Lavvu, Sámi soga lávlla, combining things about Finns, Sami, Magyar, Nenets. This is a little strange to me but I am a very rare participant so I don't know if you think templates like these are useful for Wikipedia. Anyway, I wanted to suggest that I think that is what the voting should be about. -- Ponnampalam 15:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge. I have just found now found Template:South India topics, which duplicates this template in many ways. We don't need two templates in this area I think. Once the two are merged we can discuss what is the best name and whether to use the word "Dravidian". -- Ponnampalam 16:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Keep now Controversial topic. Discussion needed before deletionPraveen 14:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, discussion needed, and that is this discussion. - KNM ^Talk 18:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Strong delete per nom. Causesobad → (Talk) 15:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Strong delete per nom. It is not concise and to the point but rather way too massive and inclusive. --Mattisse 17:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Speedy Delete per nom, Sarvagnya and Amarkov. - KNM ^Talk 18:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep but willing to have the name changed to Dravidian and South Indian topics. In that way other Dravidians such as the Brahui in Pakistan, Tamils in Sri Lanka, and Malto in Bangladesh get represented. At the same time Dravidians in Southern and Central India will get represented and those who do not consider themselves Dravidian in Southern India can go by South Indian. I feel that this is a fair compromise for both the pros and cons. The bottom line of this template is to have links to everything that has to do with Dravidian civilizations. Wiki Raja 19:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Delete - Promotes myth of two races in India. tamil people are just as Indian as the rest of the people.Baka man 23:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom. YechielMan 00:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)