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@Northamerica1000: Mail is not showing up. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

• I resent it. Try, try again. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

• You now have a new email from me. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

		The Writer's Barnstar
		Your contributions in writing and translating Soviet air disaster articles have not gone unnoticed - you are hereby awarded this barnstar for those contributions.PlanespotterA320 (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@PlanespotterA320: Thank you! Much appreciated. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:40, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, AmericanAir88, and welcome to Women in Red. Good to have an experienced editor contributing to the project. I see you have already written a couple of biographies of women. I hope there will be many more. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Ipigott: It is my pleasure. AmericanAir88^(talk) 12:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you ! Simonsez111 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Simonsez111: Your welcome. Once you have adequate sourcing and non original info, you can move submit it for AFC or review. It seems you may have a COI and a bad history with the article. See the teahouse or other help desks to ensure the article will qualify for the GNG. AmericanAir88^(talk) 20:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I'm ZH8000. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Road traffic safety have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the help desk. Possibly an error. ZH8000 (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@ZH8000: Ah, I see the problem. JWB's "Typo tool" removed the commas and such. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi AmericanAir88, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Anarchyte (talk | work) 13:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: Thank you! AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

You've got email. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
+1. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
+1. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:26, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
And another. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Uno más. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
+1. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

You're doing very good work there , but it's draftified, not drafted. And just fyi, we're currently dealing with many drafts that people have moved by themselves into article space, and I and a few others have been busy in the last few days moving them back. expect some complaints. DGG ( talk ) 06:08, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@DGG: Ah ok. I will assist in what ever you need me to do. Do you need any help with something? AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:33, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/AmericanAir88 is up. Please answer the questions and your acceptance of the nom. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:01, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

• The RfA is live. All the best, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:09, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Northamerica1000: if by "live" you mean transcluded, it isn't yet... --DannyS712 (talk) 04:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The page has been transcluded to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 04:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Northamerica1000: I have sent a new email. Also, can I go to bed or will questions start coming in soon? Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 04:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

In case you were unaware, editors repeatedly asking you about the 88 in your username is likely due to 88 having unfortunately become a white nationalist dogwhistle. I think it's pretty clear from your answers that this is not why it's in your username, but it's something you should be aware of, especially if you plan on participating in potentially politically charged disputes on admin noticeboards where someone may jump to the wrong conclusions on the basis of your username. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Rosguill: Thank you for this. I really had no idea at all. I just personally liked the number 88 and thought it looked cool with AA. Thank you again. AmericanAir88^(talk) 20:56, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

IMO, this is pretty a pretty obscure reference and shouldn't be held against him. It is also used in amateur radio to mean "love and kisses" and in Chinese culture to mean fortune and good luck. --rogerd (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I thought it was an Oldsmobile. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I like 88 too, it always first means piano keys to me. I'm not buying that dogwhistle angle at all. – Athaenara ✉ 12:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

It appears that Cyberpower678 has fixed a small error with the !vote count, so you may indeed have 88 problems, but thankfully a glitch ain’t one. I know, I should be ashamed. CThomas³ (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Apologies for this random message. I noticed the activity on the "Deep Space Homer" FAC. An oppose comment may be discouraging, but I advise you to look at it as a way to further improve the article. I regret my more negative, defensive response to FAC opposes, because at the end of the day, the reviewer is just being honest and trying to improve the article. You had a very good response so I admire your attitude in this situation. It certainly gives me something to look up to. If it is okay, I may make some copy-edits to the article to try and improve the prose. Feel free to revert anything you disagree with. Again, apologies for the random message, and I hope that I am not being an annoyance. Aoba47 (talk) 00:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Aoba47: Thank you for this. With my current RFA, its been harder to be active on the FAC. I am still viewing it everyday and appreciate you helping me out. I feel that we can get this promoted through thorough answering. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

You're going through an RFA and an FAC at the same time?! Kudos, that really is the double stress whammy!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: The FAC has been open since early June and didn't really pick up more steam until late July. To add to my whammy, I am also moving in two weeks. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

😯 oh wow, I really hate moving. Will you be using American Airlines for the move?! At least, one way or another, the RfA will be done and dusted by then so no need to answer searching questions in between box packing...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Ironically enough, I am flying American Airlines for the move. I am putting all my effort into this RfA to try and present myself in the best way possible. The anxiety for moving is not helping... AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Well I wish you all the best, anyway. Good luck with the move, just look forward to when you're nicely installed and settled and can get back to the noble work of encyclopedia building  — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thank you for the best wishes. I will try to be as much as I can in the mean time. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Spirit Airlines Headquarters Exterior.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you.  ‑ Iridescent 20:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I’m sorry the review had to be closed, and that there were a number of opposes to it. Please don’t be disheartened by it, it is no reflection on you personally. I can only echo what Cassianto said: after further searches for any additional information and high quality sources, please take it through PR and ping those who saw problems with the prose. PR (if you can attract reviewers) is an excellent venue for sorting out the issues. - SchroCat (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi AA88, unfortunately, I think your RfA is unlikely to succeed as it is under the current discretionary rage of 65% support. I think it would likely be best if you withdrew your RfA. At the same time, I think you should consider adminship in the future, and if you want advice on how to improve, you should feel free to reach out to me. I could easily see you passing an RfA in 6-12 months with some work :) Also, on the off chance you do want to change your username due to any unfortunate connotations with neo-nazis, well, I can also do that for you too as a global renamer :) TonyBallioni (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

no. There is nothing wrong with your user name. I have never heard of this connection before today, and it is not your fault. This is total BS! --rogerd (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

rogerd, you'll see from my comments at the RfA that I agree with you, but I was offering it should AA88 want to. I don't think the attacks are fair, but sometimes people want to avoid things after it has been pointed out to them. Since I was here, I thought it would be easy to make the offer so he wouldn't have to go through the meta/CHUS bureaucracy if it was something he wanted. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

TonyBallioni, I see your point, you are right, it just so disappoints me how this person's good efforts are discounted because of something outside of his control --rogerd (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Its causing me a great deal of thinking power to make a decision. In my eyes, I want to see it through to show that I will not let the opposes ruin my motivation. I want to do what is best for the community and I want to stay strong as well. I will give an analogy to the situation:In "Avengers: Endgame", Thanos nearly kills Iron Man and Thor, while injuring Captain America. Thanos then sends in his huge army to finalize his plan to rebuild the universe from scratch. Instead of surrendering, a lone Captain America stands up against the rushing army. Marvel magic happens after.

I want to see myself as the lone Captain America who is standing up to the army of opposes. I want to show the Wiki that I am capable of the tools and that I can answer the questions. Withdrawing is not off the table, but Ill stick with the Rfa for a bit. I hope that analogy helped.

I am also hesitant to change my name. AA88 is my identity and it has been part of my since I was younger. I have always loved planes and found AA88 to be a cool acronym. I feel like changing my name would make me lose identity and may feel like a restart. I want to keep my name.

Thank you Tony for standing by me and your help. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

That is fair :) I just wanted to give you an honest opinion and offer to help on the name change if you wanted it. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:17, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: I really appreciate your concern. I will contact you if I have any consideration for the name change. Withdrawing may seem like an option, but I want to be strong about this. I am really appreciative of everyone who is voting on my RfA regardless of the vote. It is also nice to know the dedication of user's like you and MJL to help support the RfA. I really want to thank Northamerica1000 though. I would have never got to this stage if it was not for that brilliant user. I will stay strong on the Rfa for now. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty much ride or die at this point. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Without commenting on the issue of whether to withdraw or not, which is entirely a personal one for AA88, I have to say I find the objections based on the username to be completely disgraceful. Personally I'd never even heard of the neo-nazi connotation before this RFA, and for people to be criticizing based on the choice of such a common-or-garden less-than-100 number, which also happens to be a fairly recent birth-year for many, is totally ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that it actually empowers racists, in that it seemingly gives them ownership over the number. Although it's probably not a deciding factor, I do hope the crats would have disregarded opposes based purely on that. As an aside, I thought I recalled something similar on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ansh666 regarding the Number of the Beast, well there's one reference and apparently a user-talk page comment by someone, but nothing more was made of that issue. Cheers, and good luck to you whatever happens, AA88, you look like a great Wikipedian and can also be a great admin, whether now or in the future.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:55, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thank you for this. I really hope people understand that my name is not at all ill-intent. It seems that people are drilling about my deletion history and are concerned. I want to stay strong for the RfA. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• It's up to you. You can let it ride, or you can withdraw. There is no shame either way. RfA can be a tough environment, and I remain commending of you for running. At my first RfA, I let it ride, and was ultimately unsuccessful. However, I gained some decent constructive criticism in the process. Conversely, for example, if one were to feel that the criticism they are receiving is not constructive, or perhaps feel that it may endanger a future run at RfA, then there is also no shame in withdrawal. This comment is not meant to advise you what to do whatsoever, which is up to you, hence its open-ended nature. It's entirely my personal opinion. Just some general comments. Furthermore, I commend you for running regardless of the outcome. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: I commend you for nominating me. You are a pleasure to know. It seems that my deletion history is the area being most targeted. I feel that withdrawing admits defeat while staying shows that I can handle the oppose. I will take any advice you give. This RfA is making me emotional, anxiety and moments of near waterworks. It means a lot to me of your nomination. I will do whatever you think is best. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I won't be giving any specific advice, because the decision is wholly up to you. My commentary is instead just conjecture, because again, it's entirely up to you how to move forward. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: My only concern with withdrawal is that is may seem like I am admitting defeat. It may make me seem like a quitter. Also, there are still some supports coming in, which give me a little hope. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• I echo everything Amakuru has just said - The fact people are opposing based on your username is not only ridiculous and moronic but utterly disgraceful too, I too have never heard of the 88 thing but even if I had would I oppose over it ? ... hell no!,

I would suggest ignoring every single oppose that mentions your username because they're not even worth reading! (and I would hope crats ignore them too!),

I suppose I'll be dragged to ANI next week over concerns my username might be in reference to Nazis .... honestly wouldn't surprise me!.

Anyway good luck with your RFA regardless of the negativity there, Happy editing :). –Davey2010^Talk 17:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Davey2010: Thank you Davey. I appreciate it. Means a lot to me. I respect your oppose vote and your maturity. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome AA, I could understand the opposes if you had an obsession with that topic and edited everything related to it but you haven't and given the explanation in #9 I just find it ridiculous people still felt the need to oppose because of it,

Apologies for ranting but some things need to be said especially when they're that absurd :), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 18:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Re to Diamond Davey2010: Yeah, I could change my user name to NA13, which could then later be weirdly ascertained that I'm with MS-13, or to NA81, which could then be ascertained as an affiliation with the HAMC. The abbreviations go on and on. Absolute horse shit. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:15, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Exactly North "Amazing" America, Haha wow I like your example lol, But yeah anyones username can be distorted around. –Davey2010^Talk 18:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Northamerica1000: You are absolutely right. Davey, Northamerica is one of the best and nicest people you will ever meet, meaning I agree with North "Amazing" America. I feel that a withdrawal will bring me shame to other people and you North. I don't want withdrawal to seem like I am weak or not up to the challenge. I am seeing it through. Any advice? Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll just say that there is no shame in withdrawing and trying again in 6 months. It shows good character and a willingness to listen imo. However, that's just my take. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Just wanted to drop a line and offer my moral support. I am quite disheartened by what's happening. None of the opposes are really convincing to me and some seem frivolous. Unfortunately, Tony is right. The odds of your passing are getting close to zero. Of course it's your call on withdrawing and I can understand a desire to hang on and go down with the flag nailed to the masthead (if you will pardon the non-aeronautic expression). However, once an RfA reaches the point of obvious "no return" some editors might start opposing on the basis of your not accepting community consensus. Which in turn could hurt you in a future RfA. Also at some point it's possible a crat will SNOW close the RfA. All in all it looks better if the candidate withdraws. But again, this is your decision. Thank you again for stepping up and please remember that some very good admins did not pass their first RfA. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi AA88, while I am in opposition at this time, for what it’s worth, I don’t have a problem with your username and I don’t think you should be made to change it. The question you were asked on your username was answered adequately and I think the opposes on your username basis should be ignored. Regarding seeing your RFA out, that’s completely up to you. If you do wish to see it out, as hard as it is, I would try not to be too stressed and disheartened. I had a withdrawn RFA in 2011 that I withdrew at about 73% after 6 days, which was honestly quite stressful and probably the stress caused me to withdraw. I’d recommend you see it out until you feel you aren’t likely to get any more valuable feedback. Of course this is up to you. On a personal note, I meant what I said in my vote - I truly hate opposing because I remember all too well that sad sinking feeling when a candidate receives an oppose. I would be happy to support an RFA in future and wish you all the best. Kindly, Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 18:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Ad Orientem: and @Steven Crossin: Thank you so much for these kind messages. It is the unfortunate truth that it seems that my RfA will end in a failure. If you see above, I made an analogy to the avengers endgame movie about my desire to see it out. This RfA is causing anxiety (anxiety is already heightened since I am moving in two weeks), but I want to show the community that I am strong and will not back down from a challenge. I don't want to disappoint Northamerica1000 and all the people who voted. Thank you both for your votes. Your consideration means a lot. AmericanAir88^(talk) 19:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I don’t think you should see withdrawing, if and whenever you decide to do so, as letting those who nominated and support you as letting them down. The community sometimes does look kindly in future in candidates who gracefully withdrew a likely unsuccessful RFA, acknowledged the concerns, and cane back down the road having addresses those concerns. I sometimes joke that the RFA acronym is more appropriately titled Requests for agony because it’s probably the most painful week a user can go through on Wikipedia for most. I respect what you decide to do either way, but your wellbeing is number one priority so do try not to be too disheartened. Easy to say, difficult to do I know. But think of it this way - many long standing admins had unsuccessful first RFAs, went and addressed concerns and passed a second one with flying colours. Nothing time can’t fix :-) Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 19:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steven Crossin: I understand your view on withdrawal, but I want to show Wikipedia that I will not back down from a challenge. I also want to read the insights given about me to grow and become a better user. I do not want to disappoint Northamerica1000. NorthA has been such a fantastic editor and person to me these last two years. Thank you so much again for the comments. I appreciate it a lot. I really do not want to disappoint NA or show that I quit two days into it. If the entire community wants me to withdraw, thats a different story. Thank you so much again. AmericanAir88^(talk) 19:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with your username, and there is nothing wrong with riding this out. Make the choice that allows you to look at yourself in the mirror. While I'm in opposition right now, I hope that you take the comments as constructive criticism, that you work to address them, and come back and reapply in the future. You're a content creator, and that's the type of people that we need as admins. Best of luck. GregJackP Boomer! 22:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@GregJackP: Thank you very much for these comments and your vote at RfA. I will take the comments as constructive criticism. AmericanAir88^(talk) 23:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Don't worry about withdrawing or letting it play out - it's not a "challenge" at this point, and no one would have taken it like that. Leaving it open just allows you to continue to be vetted by the community. I also don't see anything wrong with your username, I think you just happened to run at a time when we're particularly sensitive to that number (I think a number of users were just banned as a result). At the end of the day, don't stop doing what you're doing, either - I don't think any of the rational oppose votes have argued you've done anything wrong, there's nothing wrong with closing AfDs as WP:SNOW, and I didn't mind the majority of your relists. My advice: keep going, you're a good candidate. I just didn't think you were ready based on my review of your work at AfD, and as I noted, I didn't know what other areas of the encyclopaedia you'd need the tools for. I want to see how you would handle more contentious AfDs or incidents, and to make sure you can use CSD correctly. One really good area for you to get involved in going forward is deletion review, since you have to figure out if the AfD was closed properly or not, and there's occasionally some WP:IAR involved. But thank you for raising your hand, I know these can't be easy to do, and please let me know if there's anything I can do to help you moving forward. SportingFlyer T·C 23:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@SportingFlyer: Thank you for this. It means a lot to me. I really want to keep the RfA going to see more comments and show users I am willing to answer the questions/withstand the criticism. I also really do not want to let down my amazing nominator Northamerica1000. I do not want to be a quitter and want to do what is best for the community. Thank you also for offering your help, I appreciate it. For now, I will let the RfA stay and hopefully will see some new comments. I will contact you if I need any other advice. Right now, I am just getting anxious all together by this process, but will brave through it. Thank you AmericanAir88^(talk) 23:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Just offering my moral support, AA. I know I opposed your nomination at FAC, but your graceful response to my opposition (you explained why you disagreed without taking it personally) speaks volumes about your maturity and character. --Laser brain (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Laser brain: Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you would reach out. Thank you for your comments at the FA page. It helps strengthen the article. I appreciate you reaching out again and I am always here to talk. AmericanAir88^(talk) 03:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• I figured I'd drop by as well and reiterate my support. I will say that your communication and content creation is exactly what I like to see in current and potential admins, and I don't see anything wrong with your username. It is explicitly permitted by the username policy, as it states that usernames are acceptable if they contain a company or group name but are clearly intended to denote an individual person. That said, the decision to keep open or withdraw the RfA is entirely yours, but good luck whether now or in a future RfA, and keep doing what you're good at. ComplexRational (talk) 12:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: Thank you very much for these comments. I am right now keeping it open in order to prove I can stay strong and so I will not disappoint my amazing nominator Northamerica1000. I am willing to answer any question or concern. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hi AmericanAir88. I opposed your RFA, so I can understand if you're a bit miffed with me at the moment, but I would like to see you pass a subsequent RFA and join the mop corps, so I wanted to ask you to withdraw. Your RFA is substantially below the passing threshold at this point. Choosing not to withdraw could be construed as stubbornness, and held against you later. I, personally, wouldn't; but someone will, and I don't want that. Just food for thought. You've not actually done badly; even many of us opposing have recognized that you've made many positive contributions here. If you read the advice in that section, you'll be in a good position the next time around. Best of luck, Vanamonde (Talk) 02:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
• Hi AA88. I was in the oppose camp, but here just dropping you a line to offer moral support and commendations for withstanding the process for so long. As others have said, please ignore the idiotic comments about your username. If it helps, I have been called a terrorist on account of my username but still have no intention to change it. Please get some insight from the comments about the XfD area and feel welcome to apply again in 6 months. Cheers, — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
• Hi AmericanAir88. I, like many others here, just want to offer my support for your actions at the RfA. I echo almost word for word GregJackP's comments above ~ the only variation i would say is that content creators are one of the types of admins we need. I admire you for sticking it out, despite many calling for you to stop it; those calls are needless, in mine opinion. Maybe in the future you will do an RfA part II; i've watchlisted it, so i'll be aware. Happy days, Lindsay^Hello 14:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

To anyone reading, I am sorry if you took the analogy about the avengers the wrong way. It was simply describing that I want to stand up to the challenge and not back down. It was a light hearted comment to ease my nerves. I appreciate all of you deeply for commenting and giving criticism. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 23:35, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the others above that withdrawing is the best option at this point. I've been there, too. It may help your chances in a future bid, as Steven Crossin has noted. Best of luck whatever you decide. GAB^gab 00:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@GeneralizationsAreBad: Thank you so much for the comments and concerns. I am right now still staying alive and active for the RfA. I really do not want to disappoint my amazing nominator Northamerica1000 and feel like a quitter. I want to do what is best for the community and want to show I can answer questions and read opposes. Thank you again. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I will say this: you are not disappointing NA1000 by withdrawing. RFA is a consensus building process through-and-through. It doesn't reflect on you personally by withdrawing; it just reflects on how you think the discussion has gone thus far. No one (including NA1000) will tell you outright to withdraw. It's merely how you read the discussion. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 06:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Thank you so much for the continuous support and responses. I really do not want to disappoint Northamerica1000 by withdrawing as it will seem like he went through all that writing for me just to withdraw it. It will also show that I back down. NA is such a fantastic person and I want the best for him and the community. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

[Thank you for the ping] I assure you this would not be the case. Obviously, I'll support you either way; but you should really be doing what's best for you not anyone else. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Thanks for standing by me. For Wikipedia, I always choose what is best for the community and people like Northamerica. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I haven't voted (because I don't have the time to do the background work one should put in before voting) but I've followed the debate. With regards to a possible withdrawal, I suggest that the above comments by Ad Orientem are the most pertinent. And yes, RfA is a stressful time, that's for sure! Schwede66 22:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hi. Just thought I'd pop in and offer a comment. I opposed your RfA, but only due to your not having quite enough experience/knowledge in deletions - and that's easily rectified. I know it looks tough, but the point I want to make is that this is actually a pretty good RfA, and I don't think you should feel bad about it at all. I mean, it's running a little ahead of 50/50, and that's rare - most unsuccessful RfAs, particularly ones where the community really doesn't think the candidate would make a good admin, gather a big majority of opposes very quickly. And I think your holding out and not withdrawing, and instead wanting to hear the full 7 days of comments, shows resilience, which is a good thing. I think you'll have a very good chance in 6 to 12 months time if you focus on the reasons people have opposed (the sensible ones, at least ;-), and I look forward to being able to support you then. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello AmericanAir88, your RfA has been closed as unsuccessful. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 12:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

• Sorry it didn't work out, but take it in stride. Look at it as a major peer review, and you can take the comments that provided constructive criticism and base improvements upon this. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:29, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: Thank you so much for this. I appreciate it so much what you have done. Thank you so much again. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:56, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hey AmericanAir. I'm sorry to hear about your RfA, and I'm sure it can be quite disappointing. I'm grateful for your contributions and I hope you aren't less enthusiastic for Wikipedia after this. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
• Hello AmericanAir. I would like to say that I think you should definitely continue editing Wikipedia, and continue learning about the site and its editorship. If you can spare the time away from article space, look into other areas of the project and see how things are done and learn why it is done the way it is. I think that after review and reflection you will understand what it is that is needed to be an admin, and you will likely then become a very good one after your next RfA. LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi AmericanAir88, we have never met but I appreciate you did not withdraw your RfA. I did not vote because I have no experience/knowledge with your contributions. With that said, I am amazed with the fortitude you exhibited throughout the process. You are tough. I look forward to your next RfA if you decide to pursue that (and I hope you do). Thank you for all the work you do around here. S0091 (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I know it’s trivial but I still felt obligated to answer your question, which i did over here. Second Skin (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs), L235 (talk · contribs), S0091 (talk · contribs), Amakuru (talk · contribs), MJL (talk · contribs), GeneralizationsAreBad (talk · contribs), Ad Orientem (talk · contribs), TonyBallioni (talk · contribs), Rogerd (talk · contribs), Boing! said Zebedee (talk · contribs), Davey2010 (talk · contribs), Steven Crossin (talk · contribs), GregJackP (talk · contribs), SportingFlyer (talk · contribs), Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs), Laser_brain (talk · contribs), LindsayH (talk · contribs), and Kashmiri (talk · contribs): Thank you all for your support and comments. I appreciate it a lot and am glad to have your support. I am moving pretty soon and am terribly anxious for it (meaning I may be on less temporarily in a week). Two things I want to share:

First, lets all give a round of applause for @Northamerica1000:. This editor is one of the best people ever and is generous, funny, and loyal.

Second, I will try to improve myself as much as I can because in a few months... #2 awaits.

Thank you all. AmericanAir88^(talk) 14:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

You hang in there, my friend. I feel that your RfA was quite unfair, but then again, you are not the only person to fail the first time at bat, although 14 years ago, the climate was a little different. I did manage to succeed a few months later. --rogerd (talk) 15:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely, and sorry it didn't work out for you this time. Good luck with the move and, whenever you're ready, have a careful look down the oppose column and in the coming months mix into your editing a good dose of whatever it is people were saying was missing. Off the top of my head, a good raft of early, reasoned, positions at AFDs, citing any evidence you find and the appropriate policies (and make sure you get them right!), make sure when you nominate things for CSD that the templates you use are definitely appropriate (e.g. no G2 for something that's not a test page). I guess people will just want to see lots of solid evidence that the things that they were unsure about this time are no longer issues in the future. All the best, and keep up the excellent work you do on this here project!  — Amakuru (talk) 16:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

AA, I'm so glad to see you taking it this way! It speaks volumes for your temperament and willingness to accept feedback and use it productively. Best wishes to you. --valereee (talk) 16:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hi AA. I'm glad to see you taking this setback with such equanimity. It speaks well of your character. My one suggestion is that you should not be in too much of a rush for another trip into the arena. Most of the oppose comments were nice and suggested a few areas of needed improvement or more experience. And that is all fixable. But one of the things that can kill an RfA candidates chances of ever passing is if the community gets the idea that the candidate is an attention seeking hat collector. If that happens then they would likely get crushed and that sort of thing is almost impossible to recover from. I would suggest waiting at least six months or maybe even wait a full year. Adminship is no big deal and you can spend the intervening time working on the project and burnishing your resume for the next go. Patience is something that is often appreciated in a candidate. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

No worries, One friendly suggestion is that I would certainly follow Ad Orientem's advice - Please don't run for it again in a few months as you really will be snowball opposed - best to leave it for a year and show the opposers how you've changed and what you've done in the meantime, Anyway I wish you all the very best, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 01:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I would have to agree with Davey2010. I would vote for you again tomorrow, but I would be in the minority. --rogerd (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

You've got email. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

+1 new email. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:51, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Brettmcfarland (talk) 01:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)Brett McFarland

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Brettmcfarland (talk) 02:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Brett McFarland

Hello! Your submission of Interstate 91 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Icewhiz (talk) 14:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear User:AmericanAir88

I added additional sources to the article's draft. You are welcomed to approve the article via AFC.

Regards, Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Da Vinci Nanjing:  Done (talk page watcher) –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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That appears to be a false positive for a site that just culls content from Wikipedia, because I definitely wrote it first. Also, many of that site's pages seem to copy verbatim from Wikipedia -- take for instance this article which culls content from an addition made way back in 2008. Is there a way to report unattributed mirrors like this? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello @TonyBallioni: and @Northamerica1000:

I have some new names that I could use following the concern at the RfA.

Here are some:

• User:AirlinerAA
• User:AAUnited
• User:AmericanAirliner
• User:FlyAA88
• User:FlightAA88
• User:AADepartures
• User:FlyAA99
• User:FlightAA99

AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:31, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Is AA88 taken? There certainly wasn't such global account when I checked it a week ago. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kashmiri: The problem with AA88 is that it is just letters and numbers. No name or anything. Also there is an admin named User:AA. AmericanAir88^(talk) 19:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Which aspect of the opposition is this seeking to allay? Some people objected to the American Air bit, because maybe they thought you were promoting American Airlines. Others mentioned the connection between 88 and Heil Hitler. Some of the above suggestions may suffer from similar issues, but then again, what do I know... I didn't find those objections persuasive in the first place.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thats why I gave several name options. Some remove the 88 and some limit it to just AA. Airliner AA does not contain American Airlines, AAUnited is a hybrid of two airlines while being original, AmericanAirliner may cause trouble but sounds nice and isn't the real name, FlyAA88 does not contain American Airlines but has 88, Flight AA 88 is another variant, and AADepartures may cause trouble but it does not contain American Airlines. AmericanAir88^(talk) 19:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

At first I found this whole username issue ridiculous. What swayed me slightly was this remark - Ahecht does have a point if you intend to use your mop in airline-related articles.

Agree, AA88 sounds more like a model number rather than a recognisable name. What about AmAir88? Or is it still a too close call? — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kashmiri: I prefer one of the names I selected above. AmAir88 sounds awkward. AmericanAir88^(talk) 20:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Obviously all of the opposition on the grounds of a name is stupid, but you're probably right to avoid even an appearance of impropriety. If I were in your position, I would avoid any connection to either American Airlines, or 88. All of the above suggestions leave at least one of those concerns unaddressed. You may just need to pick a new name with almost no continuity with the old. If you are intent on a connection to aviation, you could choose lots of other terms that aren't so tied to a particular airline - pilot, wings, cockpit, climb, flight, aviation, etc. But plenty of users who get a name change just go in a totally different direction. MarginalCost (talk) 15:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@MarginalCost: Would any of the names above work? Would replacing 88 with 99 work? AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I think 99 would indeed address the earlier concerns. Any username including "Fly AA" is going to be seen as extremely promotional though. FlightAA99 would probably be fine - it looks to be a regular daily flight between London and Chicago. Flight 99 is the name of at least two prior notable crashes, but I don't think that's a problem. Again, if it were me I would avoid AA altogether, but it's your call. MarginalCost (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Marginal Cost: What is the issue with AAUnited, AirlinerAA, or AADepartures. AA is just two letters. Also, there is an admin named User:AA meaning that AA is no issue. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You are free to ignore my opinion - after all, you can't take everyone's advice who's chimed in here. I think the difference from the user you mention is that you are explicitly setting things up in the context of air travel. MarginalCost (talk) 05:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I do not see the need of getting rid of 88. Just because one editor in that discussion associated 88 with symbols of one of hundreds marginal groups doesn't mean everyone should stop using the number! There are zillions of items called "88" - flight numbers, seat numbers, bus route numbers, various make/model numbers, personal id numbers, etc. I think it's only important for an admin to avoid being associated with a particular business. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Personally I don't think you should remove the "88" in your username, as it only shows that you succumbed to pressure by illogical and irrational comments. That is something I don't want to see from admins. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:40, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 01:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Days of Wine and D'oh'ses you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

The article Days of Wine and D'oh'ses you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Days of Wine and D'oh'ses for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The article Days of Wine and D'oh'ses you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Days of Wine and D'oh'ses for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)