Talk:Klallam language

The orthography used is the Americanist Phonetic Alphabet. Is this the "official orthography", or just a fiat orthography?96.225.89.127 (talk) 23:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

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You have said that /e/ or /ɛ/ is a phoneme; however, it only occurs before /j/, /jˀ/, or /ʔ/ as an allophone of /i/. It is written in the orthography only at the request of the elders (who "disliked spellings such as ʔíʔɬx̣ʷaʔ"). In fact, the same or similar allophony occurs with /u/. (Montler 2015)

Montler does NOT call [e] a phoneme. The charts presented are only charts of the characters used in the Klallam orthography. That [e] is indicated in the orthography is an exception, not the rule.

Also: In [paper], cited elsewhere in the article, Montler in fact does analyze Klallam as having four, not five, phonemic vowels.

Algæ (talk) 14:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Well, according to Crawford (2016), in her masters thesis article, she lists a five vowel inventory of /i ɛ ə a u/, citing Montler (2015) as the primary source. Although if you actually have the page that displays the vowel sounds in Montler's 2015 "Klallam Grammar", please send it to me. I'd like to see it. Thanks Fdom5997 (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'll provide that when I can. Algæ (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Please do so. Thank you. Fdom5997 (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Klallam Grammar, page 9 (emphasis mine): "So the occurrence of this sound is predictable [...] this systematic inconsistency [in the orthography] has been established at the request of elders, who [...] disliked spellings such as ʔíʔɬx̣ʷaʔ for ʔéʔɬx̣ʷaʔ 'Elwha.' Algæ (talk) 22:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

How is it critically endangered if the last speaker of Klallam died in 2014? Shouldn't it be extinct? Imacrab1 (talk) 13:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you're referring to the Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger, UNESCO classifies an extinct language as "No speakers exist." Since Klallam has L2 speakers, it isn't extinct. It is either dead (no native speakers, but has L2 speakers), or better, since it is a heritage language, a dormant language (there are groups working to revitalize the language). In the third edition, published 2010, it classifies it as critically endangered, however, due to the last native speaker dying after its publication, it may change in the next edition. PersusjCP (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply