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was this article translated from German?
editincredibly long and complicated sentences. even a Nazi deserved good editing. --142.163.194.97 (talk) 23:06, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Presidency of Austria
editThis article says nothing about his actual term of presidency in Austria. I, and I'm sure other readers, would like to know more about that. He spent an entire six years as president of Austria. One presumes he did at least one thing in those years other than be the centre of a WW2-related controversy. Alan162 (talk) 22:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Many Nazis, including Adolf Hitler, were Austrians ./. had been born Austrians
editFact is, Adolf Hitler has been born in Austria's Braunau am Inn.
However, when WW1 broke out, he served in the Bavarian contingent of the Imperial German armies. His whole political carreer was in Bavaria and Germany, not Austria. In 1934 after the Röhm-Putsch, Schuschnigg of Austria was liquidated by Nazi German agents, which is cited as a reason Germany didn't take part in the International Fascist Conference of 1934 in Montreux.
So unless I have overslept and missed the Nazi concept of Sippenhaft (collective punishment) having been introduced into Rule of Law systems, it definitely is a technicality when Hitler got his German passport. All his political actions - unless you take his ludicrous polemicisms in "My Struggle" at face value - were in Bavaria and Germany; he served in the Bavarian armed forces (prior to the end of WW1, the German states of the 2nd Empire had their own land forces, only the Emperor's Navy (Kaiserliche Marine) and Reichsland Elsaß-Lothringen (Imperial area of Alsace-Lorraine) were "(Imperial) German" - i.e. you could serve in many State Contingents); and - here you CAN take "My Struggle" at face value - he had nothing but disdain for Austria.
That's why it is factually wrong to say "Hitler was an Austrian". His carreer was in Germany, he was elected in Germany, he served in the German armed forces, he did time in a German gaol (Landsberg am Lech); he even staged a coup in Austria in 1934 assassinating Schuschnigg before annexing it in 1938 ("Anschluß" is not "Vereinigung"). He is a German problem.
You CAN find SOME "real" Austrian top Nazis (not as many as Bavarians or Prussians by a long shot), but for the cited example "Hitler", he "was born an Austrian", but there may have been no-one denying his Austrian roots as vehemently as Hitler, up to and including vetoing his county of origin and family honouring him after the Anschluß in 1938.
--2003:C8:4718:BE00:B3:2589:D3DD:EA4B (talk) 16:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- He was an Austrian by birth and citizenship; he was a of the German nation/ethnicity. This is what the RS's state virtually universally. 2603:6080:2103:3FA2:6CC2:1B34:86E0:EAAB (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Initial denials of having been in Greece (redux)
editI asked this question back in 2011 but all it got in response was stuff that had nothing to with my question. I'm still curious.
My possibly faulty memory tells me that when Waldheim's war service in Greece was first raised, he denied it, saying he couldn't possibly have been guilty of any Greek atrocities because he was never in Greece at all during the war. At all. Later, he admitted he was in Greece, but took no part in any atrocities.
I'm not accusing him of any atrocities, but the Austrian electors didn't seem to mind having a president who told a bare-faced lie to avoid inconvenient scrutiny. Is this the case, and why doesn't the article say anything about it? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)