Shaan Sengupta
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Yamla (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla the notice reads that multiple accounts is allowed but not for illegitimate reasons. I told you everything that was true still this is illegitimate? You said I am not eligible for a clean start. What do I need to do so that I can do editing on Wikipedia. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer no. My last blocked account JaggaDaaku. I had access only to that after it was blocked. I filed UTRS from it after waiting for 6 months. There I was asked to request from my original account, whose access I didn't had. That's why after that request got turned down I made new (this) account for a fresh start. I had access to JaggaDaaku till few months back (means after making this account). But I lost my mobile phone which had everything. And as mentioned above I am not very good at remembering passwords so right now I only have access to this account. If I gain access to my lost mobile then I may have access to JaggaDaaku which is very unlikely. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You created this account in May 2023, but you edited as Jagga Daaku on other wikis until 15 August 2023. If you have good intentions, why did you edit from both accounts, and why didn't you disclose earlier that Jagga Daaku is your account? – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Thewikizoomer, DreamRimmer, Blablubbs Don't worry. You can run checks every day/week if you want. I am not making another account. I am just hoping that when I apply for standard offer after 6 months it is accepted and I am pardoned for my mistakes so that I can continue the good work that I have done until now. Since I am blocked and writing this I would request if it's right to keep an eye on 2024 Indian general election page where a user is vandalising it consistently. I even warned them on their talk page but they won't listen. Elections happen in India after 5 years so 2029 is the next after 2024 but they are repeatedly mentioning 2028. The user goes by Manaal or something. If you can fix please. I am making this single request only bcoz I came to write about SPI. See you all after 6 months. ShaanSenguptaTalk 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are now not eligible for WP:SO until 2024-07-28. Each time you edit this page, you reset the timer. --Yamla (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Leftish wikipedia admins.
editIt's sad that your account has been blocked. Many times these stupid Wikipedia admins also suspected me for sockpuppetry without any valid reasons. They blocked many innocent Wikipedia users without any valid reasons. I think this is too much giving fake allegations and blocking accounts of hard working contributors. Vikepro (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Zendrago X I have decided to wait for 6 months and take WP:SO and I know that this will reset the timer. But this is necessary. I see that you have filed a SPI saying that Aparupa Sengupta 1991 is my account. The reason you gave is of same name, editing similar pages and maybe some more. I would request you to make it a CU request if you suspect it being me for a technical check. Bcoz I am here to tell you its not me and also giving you much better proof as to who that might be. Note that previously a account was made to impersonate me as Shaan Sengupta 2.0. I believe this is also just other attempt by making me suspect of using different account. That account was made even before SPI report was filed against me. I can also give you some similarities. All the previous socks had a deep connection with Bengal and Leftist Communist parties. This sock is also the same. If you see their contributions history it shows they edit West Bengal related articles the most. They even edit local body elections of West Bengal just like the previous socks did. Also I see that you are involved in a discussion with them at their talk page. Do you really believe that I will do something that I was fighting against before I got blocked. I repeatedly argued against adding minor political parties with the socks of Srimonbanik2007. And in that discussion they have accepted that they are from West Bengal. Just looking at their talk page and contributions will clear a lot of things. This SPI might help you. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007. If this satisfies you, you might report him to correct place and remove the report from my investigation page. Or you can keep it at both places if you still suspect. I would once again request you to request a CU and report Aparupa to Srimonbanik2007. You can also ping involved CUs/Admins/clerks in the new report. And once again guys, I am not making any new accounts. And I believe I will now directly log in when 6 months from today pass. ShaanSenguptaTalk 03:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Shaan Sengupta After noticing him from many days I have already found that he was not you because he was editing like that Marxist named user. But it was late as after filing a report it cannot taken back, so if that user is not you then don't worry admins will remove it. I'm Sorry for it. ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 13:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Shaan Sengupta Can you please ping the administrators who previously handled this issue, as they may be able to help. If the socks are impersonating as you reported them, then they may also impersonate others who will do same. ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 13:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Zendrago X since I am blocked, I believe I can't inform them. But I gave the SPI link of Srimonbanik2007 above. You can take a help from it and as far as the case filed by you is concerned you can mention there that you believe that Aparupa is not my sock but that of Srimonbanik. This will save admins time also. Also I would request that since you too think the same as me, you should file SPI of Aparupa as sock of Marxist/Happyjit and Srimonbanik as Sock Master. Thanks. I hope you can take care of the rest. Also you can mention link to this discussion at those SPIs. 13:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC) ShaanSenguptaTalk 13:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Shaan Sengupta Can you please ping the administrators who previously handled this issue, as they may be able to help. If the socks are impersonating as you reported them, then they may also impersonate others who will do same. ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 13:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Shaan Sengupta After noticing him from many days I have already found that he was not you because he was editing like that Marxist named user. But it was late as after filing a report it cannot taken back, so if that user is not you then don't worry admins will remove it. I'm Sorry for it. ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 13:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Izno, just to clear the air over similar name of the blocked sock in SPI case Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007. Aparupa Sengupta 1991 is not the first try to impersonate me. They have done it previously too with Shaan Sengupta 2.0 and with this account they claimed to be me. I hope this clears any doubt. If you guys still have something you can run a CU check. Also to inform it has been run multiple times on me to check sleepers but none were found. I can guarantee that I am not returning with another account and will wait for another 6 months for WP:SO from today. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 01:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Do not reply to this message. I am sorry that you are blocked. I hope that you get unblocked some time; but you will need to be able to accept or tolerate delays, problems, or suffering without becoming annoyed or anxious. Best of luck.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Next Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election for deletion
editThe article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Next Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.Unblock request WP:SO
editShaan Sengupta (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Hello everyone, I am placing this Unblock request after I was blocked for sockpuppetry in Jan 2024. I made some talk page edits after that which reset my timer. The last edit I made was on 17th Feb 2024 and now is 18th Aug 2024. So I am making this request as a WP:SO for which I was directed by the blocking checkuser @Yamla. I would like to begin with accepting that I have made mistakes in the past. In my initial days I have been disruptive and my contributions were not always according to the guidelines. But with this account I tried my best to contribute in a generous way and I believe I did that. The only mistake I made was that I did Block evasion. I regret that. I would apologise for that and request the community to give me a chance. For these 6 months I wasn't just sitting and waiting for this time to pass. I made contributions to other projects. Initially to Hindi and Bhojpuri Wikipedia. Mostly on Wikimedia Commons and some on Wikidata. Also the reason for filling this unblock request from this account and not from my original account is bcoz I only have access to this account. My last account JaggaDaaku which I used on other wikis, I lost access to it after my phone was lost. The only way I could get access to it is if I ever get access to my lost phone which still is unlikely. Better word would be nearly impossible. And I also told that sadly I am not good at remembering passwords. And I preserved this bcoz I used this account on Commons. So there is no way I can make an unblock request with any other (original) account. I promise that I won't let the community down for trusting me and am fully prepared to fix if any (I am sure may be) issues still need to be addressed. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 12:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I find this vague and general apology to inadequately address the extensive sockpuppetry and POV-pushing attested to in the relevant SPI case signed, Rosguill talk 18:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
ShaanSenguptaTalk 12:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
No CU evidence of block evasion. However, you should be making your unblock request with your original account. --Yamla (talk) 12:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Thank you for the reply. I mentioned this at the time of blocking also that I only have access to this account. My last account JaggaDaaku which I used on other wikis, I lost access to it after my phone was lost. The only way I could get access to it is if I ever get access to my lost phone which still is unlikely. Better word would be nearly impossible. And I also told that sadly I am not good at remembering passwords. And I preserved this bcoz I used this account on Commons. So there is no way I can make an unblock request with any other (original) account. Thanks. ShaanSenguptaTalk 12:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Sorry for this ping. I know you have workload and you might be occupied somewhere else. But if you could please act on my unblock request. It would be nice. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will not be doing so. --Yamla (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- So will it be decided by someone else? Will I have to wait in line with other requests? Just asking bcoz I am not aware of the process. I pinged @you bcoz I had seen in cases, admins asking for blocking admin/CU involvement. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please don't ping me again. Yes, it will be reviewed by another admin in time. --Yamla (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you and sorry. (Not pinging you ) ShaanSenguptaTalk 15:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please don't ping me again. Yes, it will be reviewed by another admin in time. --Yamla (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- So will it be decided by someone else? Will I have to wait in line with other requests? Just asking bcoz I am not aware of the process. I pinged @you bcoz I had seen in cases, admins asking for blocking admin/CU involvement. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will not be doing so. --Yamla (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Sorry for this ping. I know you have workload and you might be occupied somewhere else. But if you could please act on my unblock request. It would be nice. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- This account was certainly disruptive on Indian topics. I would prefer no unblock without a topic ban from the WP:ARBIPA area. Ratnahastin (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin I would request you to kindly provide some examples of what you are saying. I mostly (maybe only) edit articles related to India. And I am yet to be called disruptive. I won't say I haven't made mistakes, but definitely I have made corrections whenever I have been guided. And I am going to continue to do so. I remember our interests were conflicting in some areas and I would strongly like to believe that this isn't bcoz of that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- You were criticized for your pro-Hindutva editing on ANI which you had to close yourself despite you were not allowed to do that. Your disruption at Father of the nation was not small. Nevertheless, you did not learn and kept repeating the same POV pushing at this MfD. I haven't even talked about your other accounts yet. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin two of the links you mentioned are for the same topic of Father of the Nation. Regarding me closing the discussion it was done after an advice from an uninvolved user to continue it at the article's talk page. And that's the only thing I mentioned there. The reason to close was so that the discussion could continue on the talk page and no one else comments there. And my only point was to differentiate the Official vs Unofficial regarding that honor. Like Sheikh Mujib & MK Gandhi shouldn't be kept under same criteria. One has got the title officially by his country, other is just called respectfully by his followers and many of the countrymen. Regarding the MFD of my template, I just put forward my view. Putting forward a view in an MfD isn't POV pushing. Its just mentioning what one sees it as. Anyway I would want to stop here. And once again reiterate that even if I still have some shortcomings please let me know. I am fully destined to work on them. Handing me a topic block of this wide range (ARBIPA) would make me nearly worthless here bcoz most of my edits are in this area only. And I am sure that after 6600-odd edits my track record here will be my voice. Now, The community knows both our views. Let the admins/CUs decide. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 15:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I had a lot of experience of dealing with Shaan Sengupta and my impression was that he was a good editor, who behaved well.Interaction Editor Yes, he made mistakes, and misunderstood things, but new editors do that. I do not understand how any reasonable person can say that this edit to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat was disruptive. (It was Shaan Sengupta's only edit to that page and Ratnahastin lists Shaan Sengupta's edit to that page as an example of Shaan Sengupta being disruptive. Note that Ratnahastin made a "delete" post on that page; but having a different opinion is not in itself disruptive.) With respect of Ratnahastin's other example: yes, Shaan Sengupta blundered; but it was not malicious.
Please could admins unblock Shaan Sengupta. I do not see a case for a topic ban.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)- The fact that he created that pro-Hindutva userbox and then defended it was disruptive.
- I had a lot of experience of dealing with Shaan Sengupta and my impression was that he was a good editor, who behaved well.Interaction Editor Yes, he made mistakes, and misunderstood things, but new editors do that. I do not understand how any reasonable person can say that this edit to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat was disruptive. (It was Shaan Sengupta's only edit to that page and Ratnahastin lists Shaan Sengupta's edit to that page as an example of Shaan Sengupta being disruptive. Note that Ratnahastin made a "delete" post on that page; but having a different opinion is not in itself disruptive.) With respect of Ratnahastin's other example: yes, Shaan Sengupta blundered; but it was not malicious.
- @Ratnahastin two of the links you mentioned are for the same topic of Father of the Nation. Regarding me closing the discussion it was done after an advice from an uninvolved user to continue it at the article's talk page. And that's the only thing I mentioned there. The reason to close was so that the discussion could continue on the talk page and no one else comments there. And my only point was to differentiate the Official vs Unofficial regarding that honor. Like Sheikh Mujib & MK Gandhi shouldn't be kept under same criteria. One has got the title officially by his country, other is just called respectfully by his followers and many of the countrymen. Regarding the MFD of my template, I just put forward my view. Putting forward a view in an MfD isn't POV pushing. Its just mentioning what one sees it as. Anyway I would want to stop here. And once again reiterate that even if I still have some shortcomings please let me know. I am fully destined to work on them. Handing me a topic block of this wide range (ARBIPA) would make me nearly worthless here bcoz most of my edits are in this area only. And I am sure that after 6600-odd edits my track record here will be my voice. Now, The community knows both our views. Let the admins/CUs decide. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 15:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- You were criticized for your pro-Hindutva editing on ANI which you had to close yourself despite you were not allowed to do that. Your disruption at Father of the nation was not small. Nevertheless, you did not learn and kept repeating the same POV pushing at this MfD. I haven't even talked about your other accounts yet. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Do you really believe that an editor who believes that reliable sources like Newslaundry,[1] Scroll.in, [2] The News Minute[3] to be unreliable and he should be unblocked without a topic ban? I don't find any sense there. You are forgetting that he evaded his block for 3 years through socks. Ratnahastin (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin I was corrected by an experienced user and after that I gladly accepted my mistake and we moved on. And I can't see a reason that failure to recognise reliability of a source would amount to topic ban. I can't understand the connection between. Regarding block evasion, I have accepted my mistake on that too and this WP:SO unblock request is in accordance with the rules and guidelines only. Again, I would repeat that the community knows both our views. Let them decide. Thank you.
- Also thanks @Toddy1. I am glad that I continue to get your guidance. Thank you so much. Means a lot. ShaanSenguptaTalk 16:10, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Do you really believe that an editor who believes that reliable sources like Newslaundry,[1] Scroll.in, [2] The News Minute[3] to be unreliable and he should be unblocked without a topic ban? I don't find any sense there. You are forgetting that he evaded his block for 3 years through socks. Ratnahastin (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Shaan Sengupta has on several occasions edited with a Hindu nationalist POV. I question if he is able to edit with a neutral POV in the WP:CT/IPA topic area.
- He openly identified as a supporter of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the leading far-right Hindu nationalist organization, with a self-created userbox on his user page. Surely this violates the spirit of WP:NONAZIS? I don't think the Wikipedia community would be quite as lenient on someone who openly declared himself as, say, a white nationalist on his user page.
- He supported Akhand Bharat (comparisons have been made with other irredentist beliefs like Nazi Germany's Lebensraum) in another self-made userbox on his user page and supported keeping it at its MfD, saying that he
can't understand what is divisive when all it talks about is uniting the divided parts into one
. - He repeatedly edit-warred to remove the Taj Mahal picture from Template:User Indian and stated that
Indo-Islamic is not Indian ancestry
. This reflects a Hindu nationalist belief that the Taj Mahal isn't sufficiently Indian, as it was built during Muslim rule: [4] [5] [6]. - He tried to tag Mahatma Gandhi with "unofficial" and removed an image of Gandhi in the Father of the Nation article. As pointed out at AN/I, Hindu nationalists aren't big fans of Gandhi: [7] [8] [9].
- He pushed a Hindu nationalist interpretation of the Bangladesh genocide by saying that the victims were "primarily" Bengali Hindus, something that sources don't support. (Sources support "especially" but not "primarily".) Hindu nationalists like to call this a "Hindu genocide": [10] [11]. That being said, I'll give him credit for not outright supporting "Bengali Hindus" in the RfC.
- Malerisch (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- BJP-type views are mainstream in present-day India. If we want Wikipedia articles on India to be neutral point of view (NPOV), we need to tolerate pro-BJP editors (and insist that they obey the rules).-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nazism was also mainstream in Germany for more than a decade. Were we supposed to tolerate it? A bigger problem with Shaan Sengupta is that his edits reflect his POV. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think this should be discussed first, I agree with @Ratnahastin, Shaan Sengupta's edits are however one sided. Regarding the comment of @Toddy1, I think they might be following the rules but still they are causing harm to various pages here, one user has given an example above. The user was still using his account on Wikipedia Commons and various other Wikipedia. ZDX (User) | (Contact) 14:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ZDX regarding your comment that I was still using my account on Commons and others. It is as per the advice available at WP:SO.
Banned users seeking a return are advised to make significant and useful contributions to other WMF projects prior to requesting a return to the English Wikipedia per this offer. Many unban requests have been declined due to the banned user simply waiting six months without making any contributions to other projects.
And the first two points of the Standard Offer isIt's simple: Wait at least six months, without sockpuppetry or block evasion; i.e. having made no edits, using a named account or an IP address, on the English Wikipedia. Promise to avoid the behavior that led to the block/ban.
ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ZDX regarding your comment that I was still using my account on Commons and others. It is as per the advice available at WP:SO.
- Thank you for bringing all of this out @Malerisch. I will address everything one by one.
- To me RSS is a social organisation which carries out social works and strives to protect the Indian heritage and the Indian culture. This organisation has time and again helped the nation, most recently in the Wayanad disaster. If Wikipedia identifies the organisation as a Neo-Nazi, then I am left with nothing to say on this matter.
- Regarding the Akhand Bharat template, it is a belief that the country of our ancestors which is now divided into many parts should come back as one again. And by no means I support any violence or achieving it by force. I am proud that my country has given the message of peace to this world time and again. And this concept in my view follows the same principle.
- Regarding Template:User Indian it was just reverted twice from both ends. Then to follow the general rule, I started a discussion at the user talk page of the editor involved. We agreed on a common point, and it was modified accordingly. Then he once again removed it. I once again went to his talk page. We sorted it out. Then after I was blocked the user restored it going against that discussion. And Taj is a mixture of Indo-Islamic architecture with Arabic influence. Here we are talking about Indian ancestry. Not a mix of Indo-Arab.
- I have already explained the Gandhi thing above. There is nothing like pushing a POV. It was just a fact that I thought should be mentioned. But I left it after I wasnt able to convince the community.
- Regarding the RfC of Bangladeshi genocide, I agree that the word especially would have been a better choice than primarily. And I am glad that you accepted that I didn't outrightly supported what was wrong.
- If something more needs my explanation I am happy to give. And I will once again say, that I am ready to make any required changes that should be. I know that I have some shortcomings like everyone has and I am ready to address it. I have been away for 6 months. I would request the community to give me a chance so that I can contribute in a constructive way. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 12:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you consider RSS as a social organisation. It shows how brainwashed insane you are. You must've no right to edit in neutral media like Wikipedia. RSS is responsible for the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi. It was banded from India multiple times as terrorist organisation. 171.48.92.26 (talk) 03:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- BJP-type views are mainstream in present-day India. If we want Wikipedia articles on India to be neutral point of view (NPOV), we need to tolerate pro-BJP editors (and insist that they obey the rules).-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Rosguill, thank you for your input. I explained everything I could regarding the sockpuppetry. I regret for what I have done. While the past cannot be undone, all I can do is apologize and make sure its not repeated. I listened to every concern by the community and replied to everyone according to my view. I am still prepared to acknowledge and rectify my mistakes when given a chance. Regarding the POV pushing accusations, I can confirm that it wasn't my motive. But if I still have done that I apologise and promise that it won't be done any longer. If the community still has some issues, I am prepared to not make any edit to the contentious topics/pages related to Indian politics. I can restrict myself to improving only the basics if I am allowed. I can restrict my actions if the community asks me to do. Give me a chance, see my work on other topics. Then after a while, if the community regains confidence in me and allows me to edit those pages too, then I will do that. Its been 8 months since I was blocked for SP. In the meantime I was active on Commons. I have made sure that all of my contributions tgere are helpful. I will once again request the community to give me a chance. I would prefer to make another unblock request only after I have addressed every shortcomings that I am asked to. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You should accept a topic ban from anything about India, given your extensive sockpuppetry related to this subject then you can appeal this sanction after 6 months of productive editing. That would assure the community that you can edit in this area. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin I would believe that Indian politics would be better bcoz that's the place where I am accused of doing wrong. I am ok with having not edit that for 6 months. Not editing anything related to India means a lot of pages. For example articles about railway station or cities or historical places are the things which are not contentious. But still, as I said if the community believes that a blanket ban on topic India is required then I am ok. I would make productive contributions to other fields and prove my worth. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 10:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- But there are also more than 190 other countries about which you can edit. Then there are also subjects where any country is almost irrelevant such as Pepsi, Medicine, and more. To suggest that you can only edit about India would not be helpful for you. Ratnahastin (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You may have misunderstood me on this one. I know there are so many other fields to work on. I just mentioned that not everything related to India is contentious. At top of all this, as I said I am ok if the community thinks that I should be barred from editing India related topics altogether. I will try my best to prove my worth with other fields too. ShaanSenguptaTalk 13:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. I will support your next unblock request as you have agreed to a topic ban from India. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Ratnahastin. I am now just waiting for a comment from @Rosguill to see if there is something he needs me to clarify. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any further comments at this time. Any future unblock requests will be evaluated by another admin. signed, Rosguill talk 14:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Ratnahastin. I am now just waiting for a comment from @Rosguill to see if there is something he needs me to clarify. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. I will support your next unblock request as you have agreed to a topic ban from India. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You may have misunderstood me on this one. I know there are so many other fields to work on. I just mentioned that not everything related to India is contentious. At top of all this, as I said I am ok if the community thinks that I should be barred from editing India related topics altogether. I will try my best to prove my worth with other fields too. ShaanSenguptaTalk 13:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- But there are also more than 190 other countries about which you can edit. Then there are also subjects where any country is almost irrelevant such as Pepsi, Medicine, and more. To suggest that you can only edit about India would not be helpful for you. Ratnahastin (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin I would believe that Indian politics would be better bcoz that's the place where I am accused of doing wrong. I am ok with having not edit that for 6 months. Not editing anything related to India means a lot of pages. For example articles about railway station or cities or historical places are the things which are not contentious. But still, as I said if the community believes that a blanket ban on topic India is required then I am ok. I would make productive contributions to other fields and prove my worth. Thank you. ShaanSenguptaTalk 10:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You should accept a topic ban from anything about India, given your extensive sockpuppetry related to this subject then you can appeal this sanction after 6 months of productive editing. That would assure the community that you can edit in this area. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2nd Unblock request WP:SO
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Hello everyone. This is the second unblock request that I am making after the first was declined for not addressing the sockpuppetry & POV pushing. Please refer to the thread above. Just for the information I was blocked in Jan 2024 and now Oct is about to end. Now I will try to address both the issues.
- Sockpuppetry: My orginal account (which I no longer have access to) was blocked for being disruptive within very few days. I made another got blocked for Sockpuppetry. Then made other and was blocked again for being disruptive and was later discovered to be a sock account. Being honest, I had no idea of SPI policy of Wikipedia until I made JaggaDaaku (referred as JD, hereinafter) and it was blocked for Sockpuppetry. Then I waited for 6 months to apply for WP:SO. As my TP was revoked I made a UTRS appeal and was told to make the request from my original account. As I said, I had no access to that so I was left with nowhere to go. Then I made another mistake and I made this account. I thought this will be considered a fresh start. I was wrong. After spending some time this was also blocked for Sockpuppetry after an investigation report was filed by DreamRimmer and I accepted that before as soon as I got to know about that. Bcoz this time I didn't want to give false excuses. I was again told to wait for 6 months and apply for WP:SO. I will remind that I now only have access to this account and not any others. I had access to JD after I made this one. But my mobile was stolen and I could not retrieve it bcoz of my not so good habit of forgetting passwords. Now I only have access to this one.
- POV pushing accusations on India (mainly political) related topics: I would like to confirm that my motive was never to do so. I know I have made mistakes but the past can't be rewritten. All I can do is apologize and make sure it doesn't happen in the future. And I promise it won't. Some users like Ratnahastin and Malerisch suggested no unblock without me being barred from WP:ARBIPA. If the community thinks that it is necessary I am prepared for that. I humbly accept my wrongs and promise to prove my worth when given a chance. Please refer to the thread above for this discussion.
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- Support unblocking with topic ban from anything related to India. Ratnahastin (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)