- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep --Haemo 00:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Brimstone Press (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Brimstone Press is one of seven articles (now listed at AfD) created by a new user. These seven articles seem designed to advance the publisher, Brimstone Press. I have listed them separately so that they may be considered separately. Brimstone Press has not received enough coverage in reliable sources that are independent of Brimstone Press to develop an attributable article on the topic and the article should be deleted. -- Jreferee (Talk) 01:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete. Brimstone Press has had some independent coverage[1] but that is the only coverage I could find. The other articles should be deleted. Capitalistroadster 03:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I created this and the other articles in question. I'm an avid reader of Australian horror and on the weekend (3 days ago) I began a project to wikify the Australian horror writers and publishers I knew of. I used the Australian Horror Writers Association and Brimstone Press as my start points as they're the ones i'm most familiar with (like me, Brimstone is in Western Australia) and i've been expanding out from there. I've also been in contact with one of the writers Shane Jiraiya Cummings who gave me alot of advice and told me where to look for more sources. From my contributions, you'll see i've revised entries for writers like Rocky Wood (and his link on the books about Stephen King list) who doesn't appear to have any connection to Brimstone Press (although he's a Horror writers Association member). I've also edited entries for other Australian horror writers (from the Category:Australian horror writers) - Lee Battersby, Martin Livings, Kim Wilkins, Stephen Dedman etc and I am looking to add more this week - Jason Nahrung, Paul Haines, and a couple more i've heard about. Re: independent coverage - i've been uploading these entries with the sources that i've been able to find quickest: the online links, the Ditmar Award and Aurealis Award winners lists, the Australian horror writers Association pages, online interviews and news posts on HorrorScope and ABC Online. I thought these refs would be seen as independent (enough) coverage while I looked into more sources, although some of the stubs (like Marty Young) don't have many references - but they're stubs!. I'm looking at more sources offline too. For example, i have a non-fiction book called Australian Speculative fiction: A genre overview by Donna Maree Hanson which i've cited on Cummings' entry but haven't got around to adding to the others. My goal is to expand the Category:Australian horror writers and if other people think the entries i've made aren't notable enough, then fair enough, they should be deleted. If this is the case, most of the writers in the category might have to go. But these entries aren't spam. I just need more time to fill them out and add more references. I've only been at it 3 days! --Outcast44 13:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per Capital. Twenty Years 08:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Although I'm not convinced that outcast44 does not have a conflict of interest in creating the Brimstone Press page, I do think Brimstone Press are sufficiently notable in Australia Speculative Fiction to warrant inclusion in wikipedia. I have attempted to make the text more neutral than it was previously, removed extraneous references (particularly those that don't directly support statements made in the entry). I have also linked to reviews of Brimstone Press publications in both Australian and International SF/F review sites to support Brimstone's notability. Kathrynll 12:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep They won an Ditmar Award and this is sourced (although not very well). The article could definitely use some cleanup, but they are notable. Turlo Lomon 06:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Just gave the entry a cleanup and added a couple more reliable sources as in-text references. --Outcast44 12:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Very nice job cleaning it up. Turlo Lomon 10:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete the reference supplied do not evidence notabililty. --Gavin Collins 09:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question I am confused. ABC News, 2 independent newspapers, and about a dozen or so awards, all of which is sourced. How exactly does this not meet your criteria for notability? Turlo Lomon 10:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd second Turlo's question. The entry cites a number of verifiable, third party references and the award wins and nominations are confirmed by multiple sources. --Outcast44 12:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, over 3,000 hits for "Brimstone Press" on Yahoo (with quotes). They are an award winning publisher (2007 Ditmar Award for their magazine HorrorScope). Yes they are fairly new, but they have been nominated for every major Australian genre related award Aurealis Award, The Australian Shadows Award, Ditmar Award, and the WA SF Achievement Award. Their books have included many top names in horror fiction including Poppy Z. Brite. They even do charity e-anthologies Antmusic 22:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and merge (with redirect) Angela Challis with this article. Certainly the references provided here, together with the others in that article will give a notable article. --Craw-daddy | T | 22:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep That large number of results in a bona fide search engine evidences notability. While I am not sure the length of the entry is appropriate, as usually encyclos have smaller listings for less important topics (i.e., stub?), it seems reasonable to keep this one. Hbomb phd mom 22:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Their award tally is impressive. Bondegezou 10:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.