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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 26 December 2021 [1].

Jim Lovell

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Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (talk) and Balon Greyjoy (talk)

This article is about the second oldest living American astronaut after his Gemini 7 and Apollo 8 crew mate Frank Borman. He also flew the Gemini 12 mission with Buzz Aldrin, who is two years younger. Lovell was part of the Next Nine group of astronauts selected in 1962 that also included Neil Armstrong, and he was Armstrong's backup for the Apollo 11 mission. Today he is probably best known for his unsuccessful final mission, Apollo 13, which was made into the 1995 film Apollo 13, in which he appeared. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Wehwalt

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I've made a number of hands-on edits, mostly minor grammatical and such.

  • It's page 323 of the 1998 edition of Chaikin's book. On the chance you have different pagination, it's the episode described as April 16 at 3:21 am Houston time. I think Lovell talks about it in Lost Moon, too. There's brief discussion of it in the Lunar Flight Journal here (search for

"last lunar")--Wehwalt (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hurricane Noah

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  • Two of his classmates were Pete Conrad and Wally Schirra, but Lovell graduated first in the class I think it would be better as "however," instead of "but".
    Dome editors dislike "however". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • He became McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II program manager. I believe this is missing an article after became.
    Sure. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add a nonbreaking space to the infobox to keep Apollo 8 from going to two lines. Same thing with United States.
    It's a link, so this is included automatically. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I added it in and fixed it. It actually doesn't occur for links automatically when there is a space. NoahTalk 01:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • achieved Eagle Scout, the organization's highest level I think it would be more appropriate to say rank instead of level.
    Sure. Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upon his return to shore duty, he was reassigned to provide pilot transition training for the North American FJ-4 Fury, McDonnell F3H Demon and Vought F8U Crusader Serial comma.
    Seems okay to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Most of the article uses the serial comma. If this is intended to be in American English, then the serial comma would be required. NoahTalk 01:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Should be able to get the rest of the article from Gemini down tomorrow. NoahTalk 02:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That should be it. Would you consider reviewing my article? NoahTalk 01:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Thanks for your review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM

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That takes me to "NASA career", more to come. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That takes me to "Gemini 12", more to come. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That takes me to "Awards and decorations", more to come. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS I'll finish up tomorrow, sorry for the delay today. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably just about it on the first run. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work, happy to support the nomination. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Harry

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I've read the lead and had a couple of minor quibbles but I'll wait til you've addressed TRM's comments so we're not duplicating each other. Ping me when you're ready for me and I'll get to it as soon as I can. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • through the efforts of the crew and the Mission Control Center Is this really relevant in the lead of Lovell's biography?
    Removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • which included future astronauts Pete Conrad and Wally Schirra Again, doesn't feel like an important detail for the lead
    Removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • They had four children: Barbara, James, Susan, and Jeffrey I don't think we need the names of non-notable offspring
    We normally note children at least to the extent of whether they were daughters or sons, their names are widely sourced, and they do appear later. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usually the top graduate was assigned to Flight Test on graduation, but Lovell was assigned to Electronics Test Is that a proper noun? Also, do we know why? Was it his choice?
    Yes, we do. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • and Conrad for refusing to take the second round of invasive medical tests not relevant to Lovell's biography
    Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • During which time future astronaut John Young served under him. relevance to Lovell? And during what time? This is a new sentence.
    Young appears later. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Borman rejected suggestions that Lovell and Stafford exchange places on the grounds that it was hazardous and likely to jeopardize the fourteen-day mission objective through loss of oxygen I had to read this several times and I'm still not quite sure what's going on. Why was this Borman's decision? Why was the suggestion made in the first place, and by whom? Switch which places? What was the hazard and how did it jeopardise the mission?
    Borman was the commander, so he was in charge of the mission. Try and imagine what was proposed. We have two Gemini spacecraft, each about the size of a car, moving through space in tandem. We tether them together with a nylon rope. All four astronauts don space suits, and we open the doors of both spacecraft, letting out the cabins' oxygen. Then Lovell makes his way across to Gemini 6A, making sure not to fall off and become orbiting space junk, and boards Gemini 6A. Stafford then does the same, moving to Gemini 7. Borman disconnects Lovell's oxygen hose on Gemini 7, and Lovell reels it in and has Schirra re-attach it on Gemini 6A. The process is then repeated for Stafford. Both spacecraft then close the doors and repressurize the cabin. What could possibly go wrong? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • White was laid to rest in the West Point Cemetery, with Lovell serving as a pallbearer the ", with" connector is ungrammatical. Suggest splitting the sentence or, better still, re-casting it to make Lovell the subject.
    HJ Mitchell you've mentioned this in "another place", could you link me to some style guides (even our own one) which suggests this construction is ungrammatical, just for my interest please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man, the best we have on-wiki that I can find is User:Tony1/Noun plus -ing (Tony cites the Chicago Manual of Style). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This did not seem to bother Lovell, Duke regarded it as his worst experience comma splice
    Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, he accidentally erased some of the computer's memory "however" implies a contradiction but there isn't one here
    Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There was one more change. Seven days before launch That entire paragraph seems off-topic for Lovell's biography as opposed to the article on Apollo 13.
    We need to introduce Swigert. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The restaurant was sold to son and executive chef James ("Jay") in 2006.[117] The restaurant was put on the market for sale in February 2014,[118] and it closed in April 2015, with the property auctioned the same month. All feels off-topic. Beyond the point where the Lovell family were involved, it should suffice to say that it was sold and later closed.
    The family were involved with the closure and sale. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Not much to criticise. I've seen Apollo 13 a few times but hadn't realised that Lovell was the captain! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now you'll have top watch it again. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm happy with your responses, and I'll look out for Lovell next time I watch the film! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass

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No issues with licensing found. (t · c) buidhe 22:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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Seeing as this one just needs a source review, I will contribute one. Hog Farm Talk 19:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More to come. Hog Farm Talk 19:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Link Honourable Company of Air Pilots where it is used as a source
    Linked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " "James A. Lovell". The Hall of Valor Project. Retrieved November 27, 2019." - is this valor.militarytimes.com source RS? I've never gotten a good answer for this question.
    Reputable publisher. Military Times is a well-known newspaper that specialises in US military news. The Hall of Valor is not crowd-sourced material, but reproduces the citations. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hintz, Martin (2000). Wisconsin Portraits: 55 People who Made a Difference. Big Earth Publishing. ISBN 978-0-915024-80-3. OCLC 44508414." - very obscure publisher, what makes this high-quality RS?
    I've added an additional source, from the Chicago Times, but Big Earth is neither obscure nor small [5] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes " "Life Magazine cover: Jim Lovell". Oldlifemagazines.com. Archived from the original on November 29, 2011. Retrieved March 9, 2013." high-quality RS?
    It was a site that sold old Life magazines. Substituted a link to the issue via Google. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources look okay for major formatting issues/reliability. Hog Farm Talk 20:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also: you have to put "recusing" in the edit history if you want the bot to credit you as a reviewer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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