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Victoria B. Mars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Being rich by inheritance and formerly being a chairperson of Mars, Inc. does not make her notable. Significant sources are lacking for WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brett M. Johnson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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There are no independent RS that provide direct and in-depth secondary coverage of this person. Hell, even the non-independent coverage are mostly trivial mentions that barely has their name appear a few times, interviews being a bit of an exception. I think the only CCS would be the "Senior Fellow in Entrepreneurship" but I find it rather dubious that anybody would seriously claim that's an actual academic position given what the about page says. Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep:subject has significant coverage including East Anglian Daily Times, New York Times and the Guardian here to meet WP:GNG for their notabilityTesleemah (talk) 05:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Can I ask what part of that coverage you find addresses the subject directly and in detail as per WP:SIGCOV Tesleemah? I'm really not seeing it. Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Clearly has WP:SIGCOV, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Govvy (talk) 10:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 10:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Are the first three sources considered "reliable sources" by WikiProject Football? I am honestly bewildered at the suggestion. Is there a list of these somewhere? Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harish S. Mehta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article is a WP:PROMO, fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:BIO. WP:NOTRESUME. Charlie (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep:subject has significant coverage to meet WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:BIO and the company, NASSCOM they founded is notable Tesleemah (talk) 05:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC) 05:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Tesleemah At the moment, there are no reliable sources on Google News that covers him significantly, and independently. You are welcome to update the page and make it qualify as per WP:HEYMAN. But, please avoid using interviews or self-quotations. Charlie (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Frankel (financier) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG as there is no significant coverage. There are mentions and plenty of interviews and him giving advice, but nothing in-depth about him that is reliable. There are references such as this in Inc.com, but when you look closer you can see this is a contributor submitted piece with no editorial oversight, similar to others out there. I would recommend a redirect to ff Venture Capital but that was recently tagged for notability by another editor. CNMall41 (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This part of the article might add to their notability if it do not lack citation, 'Frankel is the founding partner at ff Venture Capital, a New York-based, seed stage investment firm' Tesleemah (talk) 06:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Curtis Bashaw (politician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article about an as yet unelected political candidate, not properly referenced as having any serious claim to notability. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they haven't won -- the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not just running for one, while unelected candidates must either (a) have preexisting notability for other reasons that would already have gotten them an article anyway, or (b) show credible evidence that their candidacy should be seen as a special case of significantly greater and more enduring notability than most other people's candidacies. But this is basically "he is a candidate, the end", and isn't even trying to show that he would meet either of those conditions for the notability of an unelected candidate at all. And the sole footnote here, added after I pointed out in this nomination statement that the article was completely unreferenced, is a primary source table of primary results from the state government elections office, which isn't support for notability.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation in November if he wins the election, but simply being a candidate for a seat he hasn't already won is not grounds for an article now. Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  He is the first openly LGBT person to run for candidacy in New Jersey, so I thought that would be significant enough to warrant this article. CavDan24 (talk) 14:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you're claiming that Reed Gusciora and Tim Eustace didn't exist, or did you just forget to add some more qualifiers? Regardless, simply claiming that somebody is the first openly LGBT person to do a thing that wouldn't otherwise be notable on its own is not an exemption from Wikipedia's notability criteria — if he'd been the first LGBT candidate for anything in the entire United States, that might be something if he was getting nationalized coverage on that basis, but simply being the first LGBT candidate for one specific office that's already had other LGBT candidates and incumbents before him, in one specific state that's already had other LGBT candidates and officeholders in other offices before him, is not an instant notability clinch all by itself. Bearcat (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: TOOSOON Wining the primary is fine, but that's all the coverage there is [6]. Doesn't appear anywhere online before the nomination, I'm not seeing notability. Can perhaps get an article if he wins the election. Oaktree b (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete Unelected candidates for political office need to demonstrate notability outside of routine election coverage. Simply because there are very few (openly) gay Republicans doesn't mean this candidate gets a free pass and a campaign biography for an election he is very likely to lose. AusLondonder (talk) 06:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ferdinand Oliver Porsche (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Lacking in sources and no indication of claimed entrepreneurship. Sits on Porsche and Volkswagen boards, most likely due to his family connections as the great-grandson of Ferdinand Porsche. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Clarityfiend is not wrong in their assessment, but then again: Lukas Walton, Ben duPont, Victoria B. Mars, Susan Alice Buffett, ... --bender235 (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid keep reason. I'll probably get around to nominating those other people too. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Update. Starting with Mars and Buffett. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No significant coverage of the author to meet [WP:GNG]Tesleemah (talk)06:16, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darius Yuen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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BLP of a successful businessman and philanthropist lacking in depth independent coverage. Non-notable awards, Forbes and routine coverage of career moves. Does not seem notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete a reasonable search for sources turns up nothing substantial. Yes, he got a 1-paragraph mention in a Forbes Asia list, but I can't see how WP:BLP is met, and no other applicable category Oblivy (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Pereiro Lage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article -- a biography of a businessman who fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO -- has now been twice recreated. (Its first creation was by a now-indeffed editor; its second creation after a PROD was by the current page creator, who requested speedy deletion under G7 after I nominated it for deletion.) The sources are all WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in the context of his company or WP:PRIMARYSOURCES; there's no WP:SIGCOV in reliable, independent sources. This version includes a claim in the infobox that he was a member of the Spanish Congress of Deputies. Interestingly, none of the sources verify that, and he does not appear in Wikipedia's list of members of the 12th_Congress_of_Deputies. To combination of his names appears on the Congress's website, nor do any other links on on the web confirm this statement. Even Pereiro Lage's own webpage makes no reference to being a deputy. (If anyone can provide reliable source evidence that he was indeed a member of the Deputies I will withdraw this nomination under WP:NPOL. Until then, there's still no evidence of notability.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete or simply repurpose the section "Squirrel Capital" into Vértice 360 or Squirrel Media, as the distribution arm is arguably notable (it could be perhaps more informative if it were structured in terms of the history of Vértice 360 and its predecessors, and not in terms of the history of Squirrel Capital, though). The deputy thing seems to be a hoax.--Asqueladd (talk) 07:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, if either of those pages existed I’d have suggested that. But we have no valid redirect/merge target. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971: I did just create a stub for Vértice 360. So redirect to Vértice 360.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China Milan Equity Exchange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No establishment of notability and no cites at all. Looks rather promo. Amigao (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mustafa Gül (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Being mayor of a town of 50,000 doesn’t make for a WP:NPOL pass, and despite his local controversies I don’t think the subject is a GNG pass either. Mccapra (talk) 02:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shalini Govil-Pai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non notable individual. Refbombed primary sourced spam that screams of UPE. Lacks independent coverage about her. Awards are not major. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nezar Kadhem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Mildly WP:PROMO biography (by a now-blocked sockmaster) of a businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. The sources are all WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, WP:INTERVIEWS, WP:TRADES publications and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject in the context of coverage of his company. Nothing else comes up in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Frank Owhor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject fails WP:GNG. I can't find any significant coverage from independent reliable source rather than this which wasn't an in-dept of the subject. The second ref was a 404 (page not found). The biography also fails verification because I don't see any reliable source stating that the subject has 3 children. Gabriel (……?) 10:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: I don’t know if this should be a speedy keep but this person passes WP:JUDGE as the attorney general of Rivers State. Best, Reading Beans 11:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, passes WP:ANYBIO per the position held and his current membership of a board of what appears to be a regional government. Piscili (talk) 15:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Passes WP:JUDGE, as noted above. Sal2100 (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Wise (businessman) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Sources are not great in terms of coverage. The wedding coverage fails WP:SIGCOV. Every other source (like this, this, or this) from the article critically fails WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The coverage is too slight to establish notability. JSFarman (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete for lack of significant coverage, but also for WP:TNT, with meaningless phrases like “associated with.” Bearian (talk) 01:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Maxwell (businessman) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Sources are not great in terms of coverage. A cursory search does not prove otherwise. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:SIGCOV. Almost all of the sources are about either interviews of him, or passing mentions of him about policy. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Zerzan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Heavily promotional resume-like article with no established and WP:SUSTAINED notability with WP:RSes Amigao (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Sachs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Refs are passing mentions, profiles, about us pages and other misc/non-specific coverage. Fails WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 11:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is WP:SICOV? Ruccc (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ruccc, Scoop creep mean WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood! Ruccc (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails WP:ANYBIO. Sources from article and WP:BEFORE do not meet the minimum guideline. Could not even find three sources that satisfy GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Could not find enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to pass WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I've done a quick search in a Swedish media archive and there seems to be plenty of (significant) Swedish newspaper coverage. I'll make time at some point in the coming days to go though the most promising hits and add them to the article (or retract this statement if it turns out that my first glance was mistaken). /Julle (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment - There is a long history dating back to 2007 associated with this title, including articles about this person that were cut down to redirects, redirects from this person to a company, and articles about a fictional person. If this person fails biographical notablity, a redirect should be kept as an alternative to deletion to preserve the history. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I've taken a look at some of the articles in the Swedish news archive now and I'm convinced this easily passes WP:GNG. For example, he gets three pages in Dagens Nyheter (the dominating daily newspaper in Sweden) in 2017, and nine pages (haven't found the online equivalent) in Dagens Industri (the most important financial newspaper in Sweden) a couple of months ago. Much of this is interview material, but not all of it, and there's enough other material here to build something from. There are substantial reporting on his role as CEO of Proventus and of him leaving it (I've added an example). He was one of the hosts of Sommar (radio program) in 2013, where every episode generates reviews in national media; I've added one of them. In short, his role not just as a entrepeneur but as a powerful person in Swedish culture has been reflected in the Swedish news, and this means there's enough for us to build an encyclopedic entry on. /Julle (talk) 22:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Blank and Redirect as alternative to deletion. A review of the references shows that they are press releases or passing mentions.

This source assessment table is based on this version of the article: [7]. References were added to the article while I was assessing the sources, and I revised the table. The addition of more sources was not material.

As noted above, there is an extensive history, which includes previous versions of articles on the subject, as well as redirects, and an article about a fictional person. This article should be cut down to a redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Robert McClenon: I'm sorry, but I don't think this reflects the reality of some of the sources in the article. Comments below.

1. Agreed.

2. Mostly an interview, but also covers other material, which I'd argue is secondary. Described above.

3. No, the wiki link follows the norm for how we cover press material, same as other sources in the article – the name of the publication is linked. Not the name of the article, which is an offline source (or accessible though sv:Mediearkivet). Not all sources are online sources. This is nine pages in Dagens Industri, mostly but not only interview material. Described above. Can be checked by pretty much anyone with a Swedish university account (or access to Mediearkivet, provided to some editors by Wikimedia Sweden). As noted above, I've not been able to locate the online equivalent.

4. Agreed.

5. Disagree. Unlikely this is merely a press release, for four reasons: a) Unlike Cision, Dagens Media does produce journalism, which merits that we take a closer look; b) it's the same day as the press release in 4., but with different content, noting things which were not present in that press release c) it's signed (Eva Wisten), d) it contains material unlikely to have been in a press relase, such as noting that he'll "be on paternal leave and think". This reads like a reaction to the press release in 4., but someone actually having written an article based on other sources.

6. Definitely not. This is an article, takes up most of a page in the leading Swedish financial newspaper, and doesn't read at all like a press release to me. Why do you think it would be one?

7. Agreed.

8. Agreed.

9. Agreed.

10. Uncertain. Not terribly interesting as a source anyway.

11. Agreed.

12. Agreed.

13. Agreed.

14. (In the current version.) Missing. Added before this was posted, but after the assessment, I suppose.

Could you please explain your reasoning around 2, 3, 5 and 6? /Julle (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On ref 2 it does say the Pallas met him for conversation. I can't read it fully as paywalled, but it does look an interview. scope_creep^Talk 06:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. "Much of this is interview material, but not all of it", I wrote above, and then "Mostly an interview, but also covers other material, which I'd argue is secondary" in the comment to the source assessment above. (: /Julle (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The other material is likely provided by the PR agency. It put the reference in the context of a interview and can't be used to prove notability. It not a valid. scope_creep^Talk 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Ref 5 it reads a profile generated from a press-release. That fact that its bylined doesnt add much to it. It reads like a 300 word profile and is not in-depth. scope_creep^Talk 06:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since we have a press release from exactly the same day (4.), that would mean that they'd sent out two different press releases on the same topic, with different information (since much of the background in 5. is missing in 4.). To me, that seems much more unlikely than a journalist taking a look at the press release in 4. and writing something based on other sources than the press release (since it contains information not in the press release in 4).

(It's still not a longer piece, no.) /Julle (talk) 11:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That looks and reads like conjecture, is not indepth and is not valid. scope_creep^Talk 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Ref 3. The reference format is fine. This is a financial paper similar to Bloomberg and the Financial Times. Its is likely paid PR. scope_creep^Talk 06:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not intimately familiar with Bloomberg and the Financial Times, but this is the main article in this issue of the newspaper. I find it extremely unlikely that this would be paid PR, that's not how Dagens Industri works and they'd completely resign their position as the dominating financial newspaper in Sweden if they presented paid material as journalism. Why would we assume it's paid PR? /Julle (talk) 11:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because that is mechanism used to market themselves. Billionaires and millionaire are extraordinary secretive, they don't like their business dealing and their private lifes being made pubic, generally speaking. They build a public facade, their brand in the modern era using PR agencies so they are always shown in a good light. That is known thing. Lastly, its not necessarily paid material as journalism. You need to read up on it. All papers take the marketing dollar, more so since the coming of social media when it the industry was absolutely eviscerated, more or less right across the world from about 2007-2008. Its recovered now because many of them are behind paywalls and legislation that has come in to protect the industry but for many years, journalism as a practice was hit very badly. So the boundary between real journalism and all this other "crap" that came in was blurred and they used that money to effectively save their industry. Real journalism is making a return but for certain things like this, you don't know if its paid for. You really have to look, particularly for this type of source. So it could be potentially be a good reference right enough, but its hard to verify and I'm not confident considering the subject matter, that its not been paid for. scope_creep^Talk 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Bier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Refs are profile, passing mentions, 404's and single NY article on buying an old town. Fails WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 11:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: No source to establish the minimum guideline or WP:ANYBIO here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Admin note - The article was tagged for G7 by the original author. I've declined the speedy deletion as there are significant edits from other editors including this WP:BLAR. The closer may wish to consider taking into account the G7 request when weighing consensus. -- Whpq (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete pet WP:BLP1E. He received some publicity for buying a ghost town - I remember reading the article at the time - but everything else about him on the page is random and ordinary. Bearian (talk) 02:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krishna Shroff (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Lacks significant independent coverage and mostly relies on promotional content, particularly for Matrix Fight Night. The tone suggests potential paid editing, violating Wikipedia’s neutral point of view. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 19:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy Keep I really don't understand why this article is being proposed for deletion. the article meets Wikipedia's criteria WP:GNG. Moreover, reliable media sources, which are verified by Wikipedia, have covered news about this person. Additionally, I did not find any sentence in the text that promotes Matrix Fight Night (There is just a Mention).Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 12:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toni Firmansyah (Indonesian businessman) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Puff piece article to promote his business. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 09:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Simon Crosby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 08:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Significant coverage for this person exists. Wired[8], The Register[9], eWeek[10], Computerwoche[11], InfoWorld[12], CRN[13], TechTarget[14], Csoonline.com[15] Frost 16:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment Almost everyone of these references are interviews of one sort or another and can't be used to prove notability. Gbooks is probably the best bet for establishing it. There is a couple of profiles there that are no good either. scope_creep^Talk 07:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I agree, these sources don't establish GNG notability, and subject is nowhere near WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 13:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gregory Wings (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Promo UPE article. Refs are paid for PR, non-bylined content and promo articles. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 20:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• There is a little coverage in The Source[16] and quite a bit about his involvement in a failed Burna Boy concert in South Africa, although the latter could be viewed as WP:1E, plus the LA Weekly coverage. It seems marginal, and the article needs a lot of work. But one or two more sources could save it. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I agree, there is decent coverage and this can be improved not deleted. Gwatakwata (talk) 09:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwatakwata:@Colapeninsula: Can you give me two other sources that prove he is notable. The LA Weekly coverage is a good WP:SECONDARY but it is single reference and is likely only seen a WP:OR. WP:BLP which states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources" means must have good sources. Another two and I close this. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 10:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment/question It looks to me like the TimesLive and Sunday World articles are substantial. From what I can learn on the sites themselves, both seem to have suitable stature in their markets. User:scope_creep, do you have information that would lead us to conclude that these are not reliable sources? Thanks. Lamona (talk) 05:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The TimesLive one looks like an interview containing several quotes by him, copied verbatim, which make the majority of the article along with an image supplied by him. The Sundayworld is another similar type of thing. They have use him image from instagram. It may better but I don't know, hence this Afd. They seem particularly independent. scope_creep^Talk 09:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nic Barlage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I don't think that this victim of refbombing is notable. All refs seem to be run-of -the mill stuff which are fundamenbtally about his jobs rather than about him. TheLongTone (talk) 14:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: FYI, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Cronin (basketball). Joe Cronin, another high-ranking NBA official, his article was AfD'd and the result was keep. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeFriendlyGoodSir: that's an WP:OTHER argument which is roundly and rightfully ignored by experienced editors and admins in AfDs. The best way to defend this article would be to provide quotes demonstrating significant coverage of this article subject from high-quality sources. Usually WP:THREE would be ideal. Left guide (talk) 04:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I only mention it because someone in that AfD made the argument that "WP:COMMONSENSE must prevail". Mr. Barlage is one of the highest ranking front office officials for a team in the NBA, a top basketball league in the world. He argued that it's "a case where WP:IAR should apply". I don't know the validity of that argument but thought i should point it out. I see a Forbes article with Barlage in it. As for quotes, I will leave that to others. Keep or Delete. You guys decide. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 05:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that Forbes piece is authored by a staff writer, so should pass the reliability test. However, most of what's in that source is discussion about the Cavaliers or interview quotes from Barlage's mouth, neither of which contribute to notability. It seems to fall short as far as secondary SIGCOV that directly discusses Barlage as an individual person; the best I could extract from that source is the following:

Barlage, entering his second season as CEO, wants to change that. He has a five-year plan that includes an international component in South America.

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• Comment I'm not sure on my vote yet. But I would say Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Cronin (basketball) is not particularly applicable given the differences in their roles. Both are high-level positions, but an NBA general manager and a head of business operations differ greatly in terms of coverage and notoriety. Because GMs are ultimately in charge and making decisions regarding the team's on-court performance, they and their actions (drafting, signing/cutting players and making trades) and are much more widely covered (and scrutinized) than handling the day to day operations of the organization (such as marketing, ticket sales, adding premium seating, etc.). Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:Articles for deletion/Joe Cronin (basketball) is certainly not applicable because that's based on WP:OTHER. The only thing that matters here is whether there's enough significant coverage directly about this article subject from independent secondary reliable sources. Left guide (talk) 22:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say any full-time NBA GM (although maybe not interim) is likely notable, so could see some people correlating that to any person at the same organizational level if they don't fully understand the difference between the front-facing nature of the GM position against the others. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:GNG as there is little WP:RS significant coverage and there is no other inclusionary criteria met. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep I disagree that this fails WP:GNG. I think that there is enough significant coverage. 1,2,3 help to demonstrate this coverage. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 01:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Two of your three sources due nothing for the WP:GNG. The first one is a podcast interview, the second is a press release. He's going to need more than that to meet GNG. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The second source is the parent organization of his employer, and the third one is the university he attended; neither of those are fully independent of the article subject. Left guide (talk) 03:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikheil Lomtadze (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Procedural nomination per close at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 September 19. Please also refer to last two AfD's. Daniel (talk) 17:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This subject meets WP:GNG and WP:NBIO with WP:SIGCOV in Bloomberg News (2020, 2022, both available via The Wikipedia Library if you want to review), Forbes (authored by staff and thus reliable), Radio Tavisupleba (in Georgian), and Fortuna.ge (in Georgian). Most recently, there's SIGCOV of Lomtadze in BBC and Vedomosti on his purchase of the Wycombe Wanderers. I've also trimmed some of the fluff and added some of these sources to the article. It still needs more cleanup, and I would support protection on the page to address the history of COI/UPE editing -- but the sources show he meets the notability guideline. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Forbes article is by "former staff". There's no reason to believe it had meaningful editorial oversight. —Cryptic 02:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC) Never mind; the byline was changed after publication (what a rotten thing to do). Contemporary archive lists the author as staff. —Cryptic 02:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: As AfD1 closer, just stating I haven't had time or interest to review changes and support whatever conclusion emerges here. As I said in the DRV, it was probably time for a new discussion since much can change in two years. Star Mississippi 18:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: The Forbes article presented above is more about the company than this person. The Bloomberg articles are mostly about this person, but more about the companies that lose money. I can only find a BBC article that he bought a football/soccer club, which is minimally about this person and more about the transaction and is mostly quotes [17] from the person. Oaktree b (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Did you look at the foreign language sources? And the Forbes source is definitely SIGCOV of Lomtadze. It's a long feature and he is discussed in at least half the paragraphs, and it includes numerous biographical details. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm still leaning delete. This is a fundamentally, and I think irreparably, biased article about a person who's spent a considerable amount of money on PR (for example, the purchase of the minor-league football team mentioned above). A neutral article is perhaps possible. It wouldn't look anything like this. —Cryptic 02:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:PROMO. Notability is not the issue, although it appears borderline from the sources: the person is certainly rich enough to arrange for whatever ostensibly third-party coverage he wants. The issue is that, as noted in the DRV and in the last AfD, this article is an exercise in self-promotion, a product of undeclared paid editing, and in the face of such a campaign there is little chance of our article staying neutral. The current article should be deleted and recreated only after submission to AfC of a draft by an established editor with no ties to the subject; such a new article should also reflect any possibly (if not likely) unflattering aspects of this person's career. Sandstein 07:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It’s a strange reading of our guidelines to insist that a WP:BLP must include unflattering information. I’m sure said info exists (I added a Bloomberg story about a big hit to the guy’s net worth, and there’s nothing stopping other editors from finding and adding it), but to make the inclusion of negative information a prerequisite for having an article on a living person seems unsupported by policy. As for your requirement for AFC, the article was substantially edited by PaulW, a long established editor, and accepted at AFC by Dr Vulpes, another long established editor, which is indeed what triggered this discussion, which would seem to meet your condition. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  BLPs are required to adhere closely to NPOV, and NPOV indicates that subjective and effusive praise is out of place in what purports to be encyclopedic content. An insistence that our content comply with NOT is not inconsistent with the biographies of living persons policy. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Where is the effusive praise? I'm not seeing it. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Sandstein. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the coverage provided by Dclemens1971, which establish notability. There may be some bias in the tone of the article but that can be removed via cleanup. I strongly disagree with Cryptic’s claim of this bias being irreperable.Frank Anchor 00:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per SIGCOV identified and further explanations by User:Dclemens1971. AFDISNOTCLEANUP also applies. gidonb (talk) 18:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Leaning keep per Dclemens1971 and Gidonb. I would give somewhat more weight to the BBC article, for whom this subject is the headliner. BD2412 T 03:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pu Zhongjie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. Prod was removed with a source that is a 1 line mention of Pu. Created by a single purpose editor. Google news has a mere 2 hits. Would reconsider if significant coverage can be found in Chinese. LibStar (talk) 02:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete based on sources in the article. One is a press release, the others are not sigcov. The article itself has basically zero encyclopedic value, consisting entirely of companies he works at and his net worth. I tried looking for Chinese sources – there are some [18][19][20], but independence is questionable and it all probably doesn't add up to meet the GNG. FWIW, I also think the GNG should be strictly enforced for businesspeople à la NCORP. Toadspike [Talk] 18:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. To paraphrase the line from Hello, Dolly! (film), $380 million doesn’t get you notability, unless you spread it around like manure encouraging little things to grow, and get significant coverage in three or more reliable sources. Other than that, he’s one of thousands of newly minted rich people. Bearian (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes and simply being the 849th richest person in China doesn't guarantee you an article. LibStar (talk) 10:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

  People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

  • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

  Sources

  1. "Pu Zhongjie". China Daily. 2012-02-28. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.

     The article notes: "Pu Zhongjie, born in 1963, is a doctoral degree holder and has obtained the permanent residence permit of the United States. Dr. Pu founded Lepu Group Co Ltd in 1998 and serves as the chairman of the Board and General Manager. ... Dr. Pu is the director of the Chinese Society of Biotechnology (CSBT), vice president of the Interventional Engineering Committee of CSBT and the member of the Changping CPPCC committee."

  2. Li, Yihe 李奕和 (2022-10-31). "乐普系分拆心泰医疗IPO，蒲忠杰难以摆脱"自家生意"，依赖关联交易，增收不增利，上半年纯利下降42%" [The spin-off of Lepu's subsidiary, Xintai Medical, for its IPO sees Pu Zhongjie struggling to break free from "family business" ties, relying on related transactions. While revenue has increased, profits have not, with a 42% decline in net profit in the first half of the year.]. 乐居财经 [Leju Caijing] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01 – via Sina Corporation.

     The article notes: "从校服到婚纱，蒲忠杰和妻子张月娥不仅是生意场上最得意的合作伙伴，二者还是同窗校友。蒲忠杰毕业于西安交通大学金属材料专业，在校期间结识了同专业的张月娥，此后结成连���。1999年6月，已获博士学位的蒲忠杰在国外求学期间接触了心脏支架研发的工作后，毅然回国，与妻子张月娥创立了乐普医疗。2009年，乐普医疗作为首批28家公司之一，登陆创业板，一举成为A股“心血管第一股”。"

     From Google Translate: "From school uniforms to wedding dresses, Pu Zhongjie and his wife Zhang Yue'e are not only the most proud partners in the business world, but also classmates. Pu Zhongjie graduated from Xi'an Jiaotong University with a degree in metal materials. During his time at school, he met Zhang Yue'e, who was also a student in the same major, and they later got married. In June 1999, after Pu Zhongjie, who had obtained a doctorate degree, came into contact with the research and development of heart stents while studying abroad, he resolutely returned to China and founded Lepu Medical with his wife Zhang Yue'e. In 2009, Lepu Medical was listed on the Growth Enterprise Market as one of the first 28 companies, becoming the "first cardiovascular stock" in the A-share market."

  3. "创业板被指为"造富机器" 年产亿万富豪500位" [The ChiNext board is labeled a "wealth creation machine," producing 500 billionaires annually.]. The Beijing News (in Chinese). 2010-10-26. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01 – via China News Service.

     The article notes: "蒲忠杰 1963年出生。乐普医疗总经理。持股市值：66.40亿元。历任北京钢铁研究总院高级工程师，美国佛罗里达国际大学研究助理，美国WP医疗科技公司技术副总经理。他曾参与设计50余项专利，并发表15篇科研文章。1998年，蒲忠杰创办乐蒲集团。与其他创业板富豪榜相比，蒲忠杰是唯一的非实际控制人富豪，纯属“技术投资”。"

     From Google Translate: "Pu Zhongjie was born in 1963. He is the general manager of Lepu Medical. Shareholding value: 6.64 billion yuan. He served as a senior engineer at the Beijing Iron and Steel Research Institute, a research assistant at Florida International University, and the technical deputy general manager of WP Medical Technology Company in the United States. He has participated in the design of more than 50 patents and published 15 scientific research articles. In 1998, Pu Zhongjie founded Lepu Group. Compared with other GEM rich lists, Pu Zhongjie is the only rich man who is not the actual controller, and is purely a "technical investment"."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Pu Zhongjie (Chinese: 蒲忠杰) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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Lauren Anne Asher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Page appears to fail WP:N, WP:SPORTSPERSON, WP:BIO for equestrians, not notable, few RS on this individual to warrant encyclopedic entry, listing existence could be seen as promotional for this person's business. The events that are described in this person's bio: FEI North American Continental Championships in 2014, 2015 and 2017,silver medal during the Championships in 2017 and won all U25 classes --are not the highest level of international competition and many individuals could have listings here. Maybe this competitor will become an international level performer but is not currently. Nayyn (talk) 18:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Article meet [[WP:Notable]] as quoted from the page "A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor and so is likely to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject"Tesleemah 08:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What of these wins is considered "a significant honor"? None of these are at international level.

Re:The concept of significant honour is not clearly stated, they Afterall won a national award and some Olympics Tesleemah 08:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They did not go to the Olympics Nayyn (talk) 19:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"What of these wins is considered "a significant honor"? None of these are at international level." + "Maybe this competitor will become an international level performer but is not currently." is both incorrect. The FEI North American Championships is a significant international championship in equestrian sport and being on the podium is a high recognition as young talent in dressage. Also the U25 division this athlete competed, is an international recognized class and winning in Wellington is a significant prestige in equestrian sport.

Abdullah Bugshan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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BLP supported by two interviews and a 404 link. No claim of notability. Mccapra (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Move to draft - arabic sources exist. Plus a dead link doesn't mean that it wasn't a working source before Abo Yemen✉ 05:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi if sources exist you can add them in the next few days without needing to draftify. Mccapra (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh okay i will. Abo Yemen✉ 12:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - Even if I want to draftify, here is the link for the second source (using the Wayback Machine)!!https://web.archive.org/web/20240220192740/https://moragboonpress.net/news2430.html 79lives (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The sources don't support notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This isn't under the situation that this is historical, so shouldn't draftifying be the better option 79lives (talk) 15:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Draft as per @Abo Yemen so they can have time to find arabic sources. As it stands now I would vote delete. But I really hope Abo can save this article, let me know if there is anything I can do to help! Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Grellet (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No significant coverage in secondary, independent sources outside of all the crypto churnalism. Accomplished businesswoman and executive, but there's nothing much of note (awards, research, influence, founding of a company). Mooonswimmer 16:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello and thank you for your feedback.

I am quite surprised by this outcome, all the sources were found on Google, the most important ones in Google News. And I just found a new source on Forbes: https://www.forbes.fr/technologie/etat-des-lieux-des-nft-au-paris-blockchain-week-summit

Vanessa Grellet has appeared in 3 notable French media: La Tribune, BFM Business, and Le Monde Informatique, as well as in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes. She has also contributed to a paper for the World Economic Forum. I thought that these were notable primary and secondary independent sources. Your help would be appreciated in order to improve the article. Crystalcoin (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Forbes source you linked to has only one mention of Vanessa Grellet. Translated to English:

Between pure speculation and truly disruptive technology, NFTs appeal to a wide range of profiles. The “NFT Panel: How NFT funds are taking advantage of an emerging market” conference presented how NFT funds are approaching this market. Renowned panelists Julien Bouteloup, founder Blackpool Finance, James WO, CEO-founder DFG, Drew Austin, Redbeard Ventures and Vanessa Grellet, Coinfound explained their interest in these technologies.

Although it's a generally reliable source when the articles are written by Forbes staff, that is far from significant coverage, which is necessary to demonstrate the notability of a subject. It's a passing mention. It doesn't develop on why Grellet is a renowned panelist. Do you have any sources covering her or her work in-depth? That's what would help demonstrate that she is indeed notable. We'd need at least two or three sources. Mooonswimmer 22:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for your answer. Vanessa Grellet contributed to a World Economic Forum paper in 2021.

I don't think this organization would have invited her if she wasn't a renowned panelist.

https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Digital_Currency_Governance_Consortium_2021.pdf

She has two other interviews in the main economical medias in France: in La Tribune (https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/banques-finance/les-bourses-traditionnelles-vont-s-interesser-aux-crypto-actifs-et-vice-versa-vanessa-grellet-consensys-817978.html) and a video one at the Paris Blockchain Week with BFM TV (https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/replay-emissions/tech-and-co/vanessa-grellet-coinfund-coinfund-est-un-fonds-d-investissement-specialise-dans-le-web3-12-04_VN-202204120691.html), one of the biggest blockchain events in Europe. Those are not PR for sure, I can agree that the one on Le Monde Informatique looks more like a PR (https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-aglae-ventures-va-lancer-un-fonds-de-100-meteuro-dedie-au-web3-87642.html).

She is also mentioned in The Wall Street Journal :

https://www.wsj.com/articles/arche-capital-to-raise-100-million-debut-fund-amid-crypto-comeback-b7713428 Crystalcoin (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Source 2 is a RS, but it's an interview with this person where they give advice on financial subjects. Rest of the sourcing is PR items for this or that financial venture. Oaktree b (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Just not enough coverage to show notability. A French Gsearch limited to .fr sites [21] only brings up PR items. There isn't enough to show notability. She's mentioned here [22], but it's only a brief paragraph discussing other things. Oaktree b (talk) 01:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  French wiki article has been tagged for promotion and tagged for notability concerns, but they let it run for a year before discussing deletion (which is, strange, but their house, their rules). Sources in the French article are largely these PR items or similar to those used in the En wiki article. I do find it odd that there are no Fr sources used on the Fr wiki article, about a person from France. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry but what you are saying is not true.

  In the French Google search, the first link is her profile on the French government's public investment bank called BPI (Banque Publique d'Investissement): https://big.bpifrance.fr/fr/speaker/65009755-7355-ef11-991a-6045bd954cb8/vanessa-grellet

  On page 2, there is also on page an official paper from the French Ministry of Economy in collaboration with the French Tech mentioning Vanessa Grellet: https://www.tresor.economie.gouv.fr/Articles/71361bf0-8d26-443c-9572-5c53955c1aa9/files/564c4897-e4b9-44f1-938a-93d7e3b016f2

  Again, why would the French Government ask a non-relevant person to talk about a specific subject? Crystalcoin (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  We need sources that talk about her; she is important but you need sourcing. Neither of these is about her, they just confirm she appeared at xyz event. Oaktree b (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for your answer, I've found a few reliable sources like Forbes and the Financial Times and I have edited the article. Let me know if you see any other improvement. Crystalcoin (talk) 17:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you asilvering,

Vanessa Grellet is an active actor in the sphere of crypto.

She has been interviewed by major economical media and she is an experienced panelist.

You will find in the sources:

- is in the top 100 most influential people in crypto in 2022, Cointelegraph

- has been interviewed by top French economical media: BFM Business and La Tribune

- is top speaker at blockchain conferences: Consensus and Paris Blockchain Week Summit, Forbes

- founded her own company, The Wall Street Journal, after managing the crypto fund of the world's "new" richest man, Financial Times

- co-founded with other S&P 500 companies the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, now a board member

- has collaborated with the World Economic Forum and The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Crystalcoin (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flagon and Trencher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Those don't provide significant coverage and/or aren't reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyaw Myint (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article probably describes a person who does not exist, and is a composite of several sources. Four sources are cited in the article, each referring to a different person.

1. Source 1 is an article about U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank. The article also mentions U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd, but this is not reflected in the Wikipedia article.
2. Source 2 introduces U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry 1. He is not related to U Kyaw Win or U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd.
3. Sources 3 and 4 present "Pansay" Kyaw Myint, a Namkham militia leader and elected Member of Parliament. He is not related to any of the individuals described in sources 1 and 2. Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 08:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I have corrected the prose (now really fixed: Special:Diff/1247585806/1247587904).—Alalch E. 15:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank is the Kyaw Win discussed in the last paragraph of Chinese people in Myanmar § Commerce and industry. This is not an article about this individual. This article is titled "Kyaw Myint" and has been about Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry, from the beginning. Information about Kyaw Win was erroneously added to the article in Special:Diff/307034345. There is a revision with content only about Kyaw Win, in Special:PermanentLink/1247585806. There are various sources about Kyaw Win, who is sometimes called "May Flower" Kyaw Win to differentiate him from other people named Kyaw Win (an example of another Kyaw Win: Kyaw Win).—Alalch E. 00:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry is the subject of this article. He does not appear to meet WP:N. As of my writing this comment, the article correctly covers only him.
  3. The "Pansay" Kyaw Myint is indeed a third person. Information about him was added in Special:Diff/600987091. I have not yet looked into his notability.

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  Delete Right now, the one source about Kyaw Myint, the politician, is not WP:Independent as its an interview with him. Additionally, the article is from 2004 so I doubt he is still currently in the same political position given 3 different administrations have changed in between. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 13:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The sources and material are essentially all resume/CV type factoids. Previously deleted as an AFD result at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Hallman. The closest possibilities for SNG are some local specialized awards which have been put into the lead. North8000 (talk) 14:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm unsure why the article was revived after being deleted? Sole editor discloses that they are paid for their contributions to the article by the founded companies. The companies themselves do not have any notable pages. pluckyporo ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• weak keep: There's non trivial coverage the Hall of Fame entry [31], [32] but the article needs a rewrite. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nasib Piriyev (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article about a non-notable businessperson and CEO. Previously declined in WP:AFC but moved to mainspace anyway. Sources are just WP:PASSINGMENTIONS and does not cover the subject WP:INDEPTH. Some the sources are regular WP:ROTM. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Nasib Piriyev is a notable entrepreneur and business leader whose contributions have been recognized by multiple independent sources. He has significant projects in the fields of Energy, Lifestyle, Capital financing, Culture and Philanthropy, which have been covered by major national and international outlets, including Azertac,HELLO! Magazine, and The New York Times.

His ventures, including AzMeCo, Buta Arts Centre, and Woodford Finance, have had measurable impact on countries including Azerbaijan, United Kingdom and Malta, as reflected in multiple sources. Nasib has also linked to recognitions including the film awards emerged by SONUNCU (The Last One), the work he co-directed. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: not one of those sources contains significant coverage of Piriyev.

ColinFine (talk) 20:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @ColinFine, in significant coverage I read that, the Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. From here, some sources meet this statement.

I have also reorganized the sources within the article according to Help:Find sources. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Emer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page

2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject

3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)

4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject

All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [33], [34], [35]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [36], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Perry Sook (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. A before found nothing. Coverage seems all about contract. scope_creep^Talk 17:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• weak keep: This in Variety [37] helps, rest are confirmation of his contract. Not lots of coverage, but good enough. Oaktree b (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect (for now) to Nexstar Media Group Surprisingly bare-bones article for the founder/CEO one of the largest broadcast networks and media groups, but he's a more 'silent' CEO so coverage seems to be limited to press releases and events where he does want to be public facing. Nate • (chatter) 01:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There are a lot of untapped sources for improvement of this page. [38] would be high on my list and is from 2005. I've tapped coverage of Sook in improving especially WDKY-TV, KOCB, and WYOU. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Both [1] and [2] seems to be interview style article. Ref [1] is definently an interview. Ref [2] looks as though was he has said is just lifted verbatim. I'm not confident in any of them, so I won't be closing the Afd. scope_creep^Talk 08:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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