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Hello

I just translated SMS Dresden (1917) to my notepad file, and want to go to Cöln class cruiser. But there is problem:

Dresden: Dresden began to sink at 13:50. Her wreck lies to this day at the bottom of Scapa Flow to the south east of the island of Cava, in a depth of between 38 and 27 meters. She is a very popular wreck with scuba divers.

Coln class:

Dresden was boarded by British sailors who managed to beach her before she sank. She was eventually broken up for scrap in 1920

Can you check this? PMG (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gröner apparently made an error about the ship being broken up in 1920, but I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet. The ship is still in Scapa. Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So can you fix this? My English is not so good to change articles. PMG (talk) 19:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can take care of it, though I'm fairly busy at the moment, so it'll probably have to wait a while. Parsecboy (talk) 20:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

P class cruiser

The armored belt was 120 mm (4.7 in) thick over the vital areas of the ship, and tapered down to 40 mm (1.6 in) in less critical areas, and had a depth of 14.2 m (47 ft).

Unit`s draft was 7,2 meters. So belt armor was from bottom to 7 meters up of waterline? It will give you seaborne box? :)

Or I read this incorrectly or there is error. PMG (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was a typo on my part - the depth was for the barbettes, not the main belt. Parsecboy (talk) 11:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever come across his name? I recently ran into his name. Schulze-Hinrichs after World War II worked for the Bundesmarine as an instructor in the naval history department. He wrote a number of books, none of which I own. Searching the internet I came across snippets of his work. In one context he refers to a "SMS Hessen" test. If my understanding is correct the test was to test steering behavior and solutions in case of a damaged rudder system, similar to what had happened to Bismarck. I am not sure to what extend Schulze-Hinrichs addressed or evaluated the decisions taken by the Bismarck crew. But apparently, at least in theory, it would have been possible to steer Bismarck given the damage sustained by the torpedo hit. I will try to get access to his works and maybe it adds a certain twist to Bismarck's last hours. MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He's mentioned briefly in Zetterling & Tamelander (see the article for the ref), first as the commander of the destroyers that escorted Bismarck in the Baltic (see here), and again on page 250 (which is not available in google books) - "After the war, Captain Schulze-Hinrichs suggested that the Bismarck might have attempted to travel to France in reverse. It is unclear whether this idea would have worked, or what speed the battleship might have attained in the attempt." No mention of the Hessen test, but there's a citation to a seven page chunk of Brennecke's Schlachtschiff Bismarck, which might talk about it. I'll be interested to hear what he says if you can get the books. Parsecboy (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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		The WikiChevrons are hereby bestowed upon Parsecboy for his great efforts in the January 2012 Military History monthly article writing Contest, placing first with a total of 161 points from 22 articles. Well done! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk about consistency -- a difference of 2 points and 1 article from last month...! Now I know QPQ is frowned upon in some areas but if you'd be able to verify the scores on the main contest page and, assuming all correct, hand out the requisite award to the (distant) second place getter, that'd be great... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Parsecboy,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can help out - I added my name to the interview list. Parsecboy (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I have been working on an article on Pommern (horse), the winner of the 1915 Epsom Derby. When looking through the sources I found many references to a German "battleship" called the Pommern being sunk in the Baltic by torpedoes from a British submarine in July 1915, for example [1]. Even at the time, however, there appears to have been confusion about the identity of the ship, and it obviously wasn't the SMS Pommern which was at Jutland in 1916. It wasn't particularly important to the article, other than as an illustration of the fact that Pommern was a rather unfortunate name for a British racehorse at the time, but I thought that it might be of interest to you and that you might be able to shed some light on the matter.  Tigerboy1966  01:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Tigerboy. It's a pretty typical case of the fog of war. The ship Max Horton, in HMS E9, torpedoed on 2 July 1915 was the armored cruiser SMS Prinz Adalbert, though he didn't sink her. The submarine HMS E8 actually sank Prinz Adalbert a few months later in October. Parsecboy (talk) 12:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help. One of the good things about Wikipedia is that regardless of the subject, you can usually find an expert.  Tigerboy1966  14:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem at all, glad to be of help. Parsecboy (talk) 19:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Parsecboy. My edit, on « Bretagne class battleship » about the Free French Naval Forces, that the French battleship Lorraine would have joined after the Allied landings in North Africa, did not mean that I wanted to omit mention of these forces.

But the Free French Naval Forces are specifically the members of the French Navy, who decided to join General de Gaulle, to continue to fight the Germans, since 1940, mainly from Great-Britain. They were involved in various operations in which they fought the French naval forces which remained under the orders of the Vichy Regime (mainly Operation Menace, at Dakar in 1940, or the Syria-Lebanon campaign, in 1941). They were considered as «dissidents» by the Vichy authorities, and treated as such, as the Free Frenchs considered the leaders of Vichy Regime as traitors.

After the Allied landings in North Africa, the French naval forces remaining in Algeria and Morocco which had fought fiercely, in Oran or in Casablanca, against the Allied forces, and which stayed under orders of Flag Officers who had remained obedient to the last moment, to the orders of the Vichy authorities , did not joined the Free French Forces, who had been renamed, in 1942, Forces of the Fighting France, but they followed Admiral Darlan, as French Commander-in-Chief, North Africa, whom President Roosevelt called dedaignously a «provisionnal expedient», knowing his former pro-German attitude in 1941-1942. The French Naval Forces in French West Africa joined the Allies in December 1942, after the scuttling of the French fleet in Toulon, as the French highest administrative authority in Dakar, Governor General Pierre Boisson had good relations with the U.S. Consulate in Dakar.

In the late days of 1942, Admiral Darlan was assassinated, and General Giraud succeeded him as Civil and Military Commander-in-Chief, as was beginning a six-month fierce fight between General de Gaulle and General Giraud, for the presidency of the French Commitee of National Liberation. I suppose that you know very well all these facts.

But Admiral Godefroy, Flag Officer of French Force X, to which Lorraine was attached, in Alexandria, resolved to stay strictly obedient to Marshal Petain, and refused to join even the French Naval Forces in Africa, of which the most important warships, as the battleship Richelieu and the light cruisers staying in Dakar, left for the U.S.A. in early 1943, to be refitted and resume fight against the Axis forces.

It is only after five months of contacts with the French authorities from Algiers, and considerable pressure from the British authorities in Alexandria, that he announced, on May 17,1943, that he had decided to lead the Force X French warships to Dakar, « harbour of out great West Africa colony, free from every foreign occupation » (in Masson, Philippe (1991) (in fr). La marine française et la guerre 1939-1945. Paris: Éditions Taillandier. ISBN 2-235-020410, p.405-407 and p.516-517). The reference of this book is in the bibliography of « Richelieu class battleship » in Wikipedia.

I let you appreciate how you can integrate these elements, but you will understand that I consider that «Lorraine was disarmed in Alexandria until December 1942, when she joined the Free French Naval Forces » is not exact.Paul-Pierre Valli (talk) 00:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

We have proposition for Dobry Artykuł (pl.wiki GA). One user find in some source information that the aborted Plan Z (1939) envisioned 10 (some sources say six) super-Bismarcks of 56,000 tons. Do you have any info about that? There was 10 or 6 proposed ships? I asked what`s the name of source. PMG (talk) 14:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only 6 H-class ships were ordered from the original design, and none were ever ordered from the subsequent design studies. What the person might be confused about is that Plan Z called for 10 battleships, but this number includes the two Scharnhorst and two Bismarck class ships. Parsecboy (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Sandler: Battleships. An Illustrated History of Their Impact. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO Inc., 2004, p. 127. ISBN 1-85109-410-5. PMG (talk) 19:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sandler unfortunately doesn't provide any footnotes, and based on his rather unsophisticated commentary, I don't think he's all that reliable on this question. It seems he's confused about the issue I pointed out above. Only 6 H-class ships were ever ordered, which is what all reliable histories confirm (Gröner, Garzke & Dulin, Breyer, etc.). The other four ships provided for in Plan Z were already built. Parsecboy (talk) 23:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't post your personal observations and criticisms on my talk page again. I've been here for over seven years, and don't need your opinions on my editing. If you really think I've done something wrong, report me to the correct venue. However, as I have not done anything wrong, you are requested to "butt out".

In point of fact, the uncited addition included names and information about living people. BLP issues are not just found in biographical articles. All information about living people must be cited, regardless of what article it is in. Yworo (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and FYI, WP:NOCITE is not a policy, it is a guideline. The actual policy is WP:V, which clearly states that "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. You may remove any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source." I've been editing this way for years and yours is the first general complaint about my "behavior" in removing uncited material. That the material was clearly added by someone with a conflict of interest, had uncited material about living persons, and was promotional in tone and content was sufficient reason to remove it immediately. Adding a "cite tag" is for small, uncontroversial edits, not massive uncited additions (in my opinion). Yworo (talk) 00:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I won't post on your talk page again. I will, however, keep an eye on the situation. I don't care how long you've been an editor, that doesn't give you the right to treat newbies poorly.

While we're quoting policy, allow me to direct your attention to the section directly above that: the bit on "any material challenged or likely to be challenged" - this is talking about factual challenges, not CoI/promotional issues. Where there are BLP concerns, use a scalpel, not a sledgehammer. This should be common sense. Again, the idea is to not alienate new contributors. If they make a mistake, correct them, politely. Parsecboy (talk) 12:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

140.90.233.67 is back in business. Same statement as before. How can this kind of disruptive editing be dealt with? Manxruler (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing it out - I've blocked the IP again, and it looks like it has since been identified as a US government owned IP - you could file an abuse report with the owner, which could solve the problem on their end. Parsecboy (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's appreciated. We'll see if there's a need, I hope he'll just disappear from WP once he sees that he isn't getting anywhere. Manxruler (talk) 14:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We can hope, though I had to put up with this IP-hopping idiot for a couple of years. I guess all we can do is keep an eye on the situation. Parsecboy (talk) 11:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i'll never go away — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.150.21 (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize we have the IP you used at work, right? How do you think your employer would react if I informed them you're screwing around here while you're at work? Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It looks more and more like this character won't go away. How would we go about such a report? Manxruler (talk) 19:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've contacted the person who handles abuse on the network (you can get this information from Whois, a tool at the bottom of the IP contrib page). We'll see what happens now. Parsecboy (talk) 12:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let's hope that sorts things out. Manxruler (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, mate, not sure if you've seen my comments on the SMS König Albert ACR, or if you are in a position to address them, but I'd be happy to support for promotion to A-class if you they are actioned. I'm also happy to discuss anything you disagree with in regards to my suggestions. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've seen them, it's just been a really busy week. It was the last week of the quarter at OSU, so not only did I have a few papers of my own to write, but I got 50-some-odd papers on Tuesday to grade by Thursday. I'll get to the ACR this morning (before I go proctor the final this afternoon). Parsecboy (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I took some pictures of SMS Braunschweig morse equipment on display at Bundeswehr Military History Museum in Dresden. I don't want to mess up your article so if you want I can upload them for you to include in the article. MisterBee1966 (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  Morse device from the radio system of the SMS Braunschweig
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  Morse key and variable capacitor from the SMS Braunschweig

The WP:OWNer of the Douz skirmish "article" reanimated it without consensus in February. I have reverted it back to a redirect; you may want to "take care of it" further.... ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know - I've protected the page for three months and added it to my watchlist. If s/he comes back, I'll see it. If the page should pop up at another location, drop me a line and I'll handle it. Parsecboy (talk) 11:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Thank you. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 14:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Two days later, while steaming off the Trondheimsfjord, the British submarine Trident torpedoed Prinz Eugen." Do you see the problem with this sentence? I'm pretty sure it was the cruiser that was steaming, not the submarine. But the subject is the submarine. That's what I was trying to correct. True, passive voice is not ideal, but neither is ambiguity.

SelectSplat (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I am trying to collect what I would call best practices related to German military articles here. Maybe you are interested in the topic and would like to participate. You have written so many articles on German battleships it maybe good to share your thoughts MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, I haven't forgotten about this, I've just been busy. I'll come have a look soon. Parsecboy (talk) 18:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You know the drill - comments on the review page, it was just a few niggles. Let me know when you're ready for me to look at it again. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, You probably should have been notified when Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Public domain newsreels was started, and I've mentioned you in my post. regards, Nick-D (talk) 01:23, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The review for your GAN was started by User:Sturmvogel 66 on March 21, about two weeks ago. Since there haven't been any edits to the article since the review was posted, I thought you might not have noticed that the article was being addressed, and some points had been raised that need your attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me, I had lost track of it during finals week last quarter. Parsecboy (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Parsecboy; I am asking on the Greenfield talk page why you undid the redirection of greefield to greenfield land in 2009. Did the greefield to "greenfield land" redirect get replaced by a WP:Article fork (unintended recreation) of the greenfield disambiguation page, or something like that? Esetzer (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on the article talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. :) I see that on 29 March you split Pallada into two articles: Pallada (tallship), Russian frigate Pallada. I just wanted to drop you a note that when spitting articles, you must at minimum provide a link to the source article to meet our terms of use. I've repaired the attribution in the edit history and another user placed the {{copied}} template at the talk page, but please be sure to provide this information in future. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia has more information about the hows and whys, as does Wikipedia:Splitting. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Parsecboy. You have accidentally copied the {{good article}} template when creating the !, II and III Battle squadron articles. AIRcorn (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, obviously you decided midway through this afternoon to opt for GAN? I'm not clear on your direction now, I've restarted the FLC, but it's inadvisable to have both an FLC and GAN running on the same article. Perhaps you could let me know how you wish to proceed when convenient to you? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have neither the time or inclination to continue splitting hairs. Please archive the nomination, I want nothing more to do with it. Parsecboy (talk) 11:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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		By order of the Military History WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted work on the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured Article Candidate reviews for the first quarter of 2012, I am delighted to award you this Content Review Medal. - Dank (push to talk) 03:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]