Talk:Bare-knuckle boxing

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Question. If you have a count of 30 to end a round, how does the fight end at count of 10? Just curious, I don't know much about these rules. JN322 15:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"However, some underground bare-knuckle clubs do still exist. Many small venues appeared in the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people cite the movie Fight Club as inspiration for this, but the film does not promote or glorify the 'sport' in any way and despite the movies' title it contains very little actual bare knuckle fighting."

I don't know... anytime you show top movie stars participating in an activity you are "promoting" it. The notion that "[Fight Club]]" doesn't promote fight clubs "in any way" is absurd. The writer didn't see the movie, or has a POV axe to grind. ${\displaystyle Insertformulahere}$

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are xamples of the practice still taking place, where it doesn't fit into the definition of boxing (for obvious reasons) and it's not street fighting because they are organized fights with rules. Some examples are Kimbo Slice's fights, other fights that can be found on youtube (like Irish gypsies) and Russian All-Round Fighting fisitcuffs (also can be found on youtube)... --Mista-X 21:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube and the movie "fight club" are your justifications? Wow, how can one argue with that? Turtlescrubber 21:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say anything about the movie Figh Club, and I don't need "justification". IMO underground bareknuckle fights are fisticuffs, and not boxing. Read the two articles carefully and tell me what Kimbo and other internet bareknuckle fights are closer to. If you are saying Kimbo was a boxer, then what boxing club did he train at? Who was his coach? What is his rank, etc. etc? --Mista-X 21:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Turtlescrubber, please stop removing my addition simply as original research without giving justification. I don't think there is anything wrong with what I have added. It seems to me that you have some problem with Kimbo Slice being called a Bare-knuckle boxer. I want to ask you, what would you call his underground fights? If I organized similiar fights with my friends, what would you call it? It is what it is, stop trying to pretend it's something else. At the very least, take it to talk. --Mista-X 18:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, you need to apologize for your rude remarks towards me and remove them from this page, the Kimbo Slice page and your talk page. Second, some of your sources are circular, some go to youtube and most are completely unreliable. Third, bare knuckle boxing is a sport and not a fighting style unless you lived in the 18th or 19th century. Bare knuckle boxing is dead and this page should reflect that fact. As for fighting in your backyard, I would call it some kids with a camcorder smacking each other around. Backyard wrestling, underground fighting, sparring, whatever you want to call it, but not the sport of bare knuckle boxing (which predates modern boxing). Turtlescrubber 00:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do apologize for the remarks, and I removed them. Also, your view is just a matter of opinion. If people are doing bare-knuckle boxing matches, than that's what it is, no matter how unprofessional or crappy you view it as. If you train for the purpose of fighting in this sort of match, then you are training in Fisticuffs and consequently that is your "style". I have trained in Savate (kickboxing) in which you wear gloves, but have also trained Bare-knuckle Russian style and Street style Savate (also bare-knuckle) and I can tell you, and any boxer will tell you, that punching with gloves on and with none are two very different things that require different approaches and knowledge. I can give you examples if you like. As for the sources, you are right that they are not that great, with the exception of the Irish Voice and USA Today articles which seem to be legit media sources. The source on the "Pikey" videos is sketchy, however video doesn't lie. They are definitely fighting without gloves. I would like to include the fact that there are still people, around the world, fighting in a style that resembles and/or shares similarities with old fisticuffs. Perhaps there is some way we can come to a consensus on this and find wording that suites what you believe appropriate. But given the facts, I don't think it should be excluded altogether. I also don't see how you view this as "original research" though. --Mista-X 16:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many fights have been recorded by newspapers or on video in Ireland and elsewhere that clearly follow strict boxing-style rules but do not involve wearing gloves. To say that bare-knuckle boxing has disappeared is absurd. Boxers in these videos can sometimes be seen standing as was common in the prize-ring era and can often be seen throwing similar punches to those described through sketches and manuals drawn and written when the sport was at its most popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.235.92 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone that knows for sure ought to fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.223.36 (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was thirty under London Prize Ring Rules but in Bartley Gorman's autobiography he says he had on onlooker count to ten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.191.229 (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

paddy monaghan former world middlewight bkb chapion , truly a very hard fighter having read the new book about paddys life. i wonder how this book as not sold out I THINK EVEY ONE SHOULD READ THIS TOP BOOK ,ITS CALLED STREET FIGHTING MAN BY PADDY MONAGHAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.126.194 (talk) 12:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was not a very hard fighter. He was a laughing stock in his own community for being such a liar.

did lenny mclean every win anything as in a belt ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.126.194 (talk) 12:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PADDY AS A MUST SEE BOOK PADDY MONAGHAN STREET FIGHTING MAN , A MUST READ FOR ALL FIGHT FANS WORLD WIDE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.126.194 (talk) 12:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I LOVE CAPSLOCK!!!!!!!!--Dark Green (talk) 16:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously written by one of his family. (Tyrone) Thick as pigs

This article claims that Dan Donnelly was knighted. However, his article disputes that, calling it an "urban legend." The claim on this page is sourced while that on Donnelly's page is not; however, the source here is just a trivia site which is probably not terribly carefully researched and may include dubious claims.68.194.217.223 (talk) 23:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry i've read the other sections and aren't the overly enthusiastic advertising fellow. Is there a reason Paddy Monaghan's page has been removed? He retired 114 Fights undefeated and was middleweight world champion for 6 and a half years (1974-1980). Out of 114 fights, 53 were knockouts, and 5 of those were first round. Along with his campaigning for and close friendship with Mo Ali.

http://www.br13.com/html/alan_and_ali.html

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Bob/Bob031609.htm

http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/2430738.fight_champion_bares_all/

Those are a few sites i know of, however i don't know their reputability or Wikipedia's current policies on sourcing. I do know that on a factual basis, being 20 years undefeated (roughly 6 fights a year) including 2 years as British Champ, 2 as European chimp, and retiring after almost 7 years of being World Champ should be noteworthy enough for someone to start an article about him. contact me for any information regarding him thanks Halowithhorns89 (sorry i cant find tilde's on this apple keyboard)

It was removed because it is total fabrication.

Upon review of this article I found one disprenency with a cited source.

"The record for the longest bareknuckle fight is listed as 6 hours and 15 minutes for a match between James Kelly and Jack Smith in Melbourne, Australia on October 19, 1856"

This is likely inaccurate, the website where this information is cited from has a disclaimer which states the following "Information may have errors or be outdated. Some information is from historical sources or represents opinions of the author."

This disclaimer, along with the fact that 6 hours of bare-knuckle boxing seems physically/mentally impossible leads me to the conclusion that the statement in question is false and therefore should be removed from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theillbehaviored (talk • contribs) 16:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! - Richfife (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I think BKB should have it owns page. The fight results make this page look sloppy. Thoughts? Rachelskit (talk) 14:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is the evidence that Bare knuckle boxing, which as stated in the article orginates in Britain and Ireland, has connections to Ancient Greek boxing? It is listed under parenthood but I am uninformed on any actual ties. 86.7.140.64 (talk) 18:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please update Police Gazette World bk Champion to Joey Beltran. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1310:995:64D0:63BD:2D2B:D143 (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kind of getting irritated by having to edit editors who kept reverting the country of origin of this sport from England to Ireland even though I have already put a source stating that the sport did originate from England. I'm not saying that Ireland didn't invent bare-knuckle boxing as well. But if you want to put Ireland in there, then go ahead but there's no need to remove England (and also please put actual references before you edit). ANYMORE unwise and unconsulted revisions and I will lock this page up.Godzilladude123 (talk) 17:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]