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Can someone please translate German version into English? We've got a much better article there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cyberodin (talk • contribs) 06:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)).[reply]

Hello! Andrwsc. Can your page put a border around the flag of Ukraine. This is important because of clarity reasons and finally i would verify that it would be fine with a border around this flag

SndrAndrss 19:19 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The current version of this page alludes to the domain vexilla-mundi.com for the color chart shown. It does not however indicate which page on that domain was intended.

This page on that same domain apparently disagrees with the color chart on the wikipedia page.

--Shewmaker (talk) 18:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Colors provided by the state standard ДСТУ 4512:2006. Somebody did see this document? Please get the link. There is [some recollections], but I do not understand fine humour of standard-committee outside whole document context.--W.M.drossel (talk) 11:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article incorrectly states that in English "culture" there are only six colors of the rainbow. There are seven, as I was taught (and as anyone who knows Roy G. Biv can attest): red, orange, yellow, green, blue, INDIGO, violet.~lubap

Maybe it's an idea to create a new section for flags derived from/based on the flag of Ukraine (such as this one added by Aleksandr Grigoryev) and restrict the "Similar flags" section to flags that are similar but unrelated to the Ukrainian bicolor? SiBr₄ ("CyberFour") (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article describes how in the original flag yellow on top represents the sun and blue on the bottom represents water. Then the flag was flipped upside down in 1918 and why the country is doomed under this flag. [1] There's an effort to flip the flag to its original version with yellow on top. [2] USchick (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Its colours come from Upper Silesia (Oppeln/Opole). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.153.240 (talk) 13:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This probably goes against what the section above was talking about though. Second Skin (talk) 12:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My parents always told me the blue signified the sky and they yellow represented fields of wheat. Sullys homerdelphia (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Ukrainian national website seems to agree with you https://ukraine.ua/stories/ukrainian-flag-day/ HappyNarwhal64 (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the blue signifies the sky and they yellow represents fields of wheat, why not add this basic information to the article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article has a large number of flags and also other illustrations that are putting a stress on the presentation, especially if opened in narrow windows. The illustrations at the top of the "History" section and the illustration at the start of "Military flags" create huge areas of whitespace when the window is not wide enough to allow room for the fixed width array of flags. Could someone with knowledge of WP layout please look at this?

The article is about the current blue/yellow flag of Ukraine. It is, of course, pertinent to place the current flag in an appropriate context, both historically and thematically, but the article seems to have swollen into a list of all possible and impossible flags that have some connection to Ukraine. This article is not and should not be a List of Ukrainian flags. Such a list already exists.

I have removed the flag at the bottom of the history section. It is the same flag that is presented in the array in the "Soviet Ukraine" section, and there is nothing in the text that explains why that illustration is relevant here. I guess that the point is that the blue/yellow flag was not formally adopted until January 1992, so the Soviet Ukraine flag was de jure still the official flag. That is a legalistic point that just might be discussed in the separate article that exists about the Flag of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (but only if there exists any sourced evidence that the flag actually was used for any purpose). In this article it is not relevant.

I would also suggest that the whole section of "Similar flags" is completely unnecessary. Similarity is very subjective, and the section has little or no encyclopedic value. I have not removed the section, but I have removed the parts that are most useless:

• The flags similar to the Ukrainian SSR flag has no relevance here. They are not similar to the flag in the article. If they belong somewhere, it has to be in that article, not here.

• The flags similar to the Insurgent Army flag have even less relevance. They are not related to the flag of the article at all, but are something like third cousins twice removed. --T*U (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@T*U: Agreed. The also whitespace issue affects various screen resolutions... and the 'similar' flags seems to be the by-product of editors getting too enthusiastic and digging up anything that they think resembles any variant of a flag at any given time in history (therefore is WP:OR). My understanding is that it is a flow-on effect as occurred with ethnicity article galleries of notables: once someone has the idea on one article, others follow suit using the 'but most articles about X subject have Y and Z sections'. I haven't done a thorough follow up, but the Flag of Russia article also has a 'similar flags' section.

I'm able to tweak the presentation, but there's no point in doing so until we've reached a consensus over what is not appropriate content for the article (which probably accounts for half the article at this point in time). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Iryna Harpy: Yeah, I was also reminded of the ethnic gallery debate. There is a similar "Similar" gallery also at Flag of Belarus and Flag of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Those two galleries and the Russia gallery are all created by the same editor who has been doing most of the work on the Ukraine "Similar"s, IP_135.23.144.xxx (sometimes 135.23.145.xxx). Incidentally this is also the same editor (with the alternate IP_99.252.76.42) that partly reverted my edit yesterday with the edit summary "See talk", but without leaving any message at talk. So in this case I do not think there is a large lobby of similarists. Fortunately. --T*U (talk) 10:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked a bit more, and there are quite a few similar "Similar flags" sections. A few of them has real relevance, like the (sourced) issue of the Romanian flag mentioned at Flag of Chad#Similar flags, but most of them seem to be at least as useless as the Ukrainian. Some of the flags are actually quite dissimilar, like here. So how do we go about? --T*U (talk) 16:34, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In which case, the only argument for such sections would be WP:ITSINTERESTING... but, unless it's noted in a reliable source for on topic reasons (as with Chad where I don't see a reason for flags other than the Romanian flag to be depicted as it actually detracts from the furore Chad's choice of flag caused), it's just a breach of NOR. I think it's worth going BOLD and getting rid of the section here and on other articles. Even for the Chad article, I don't believe 'Similar flags' to be a succinct subsection title as there was an actual dispute over the use of the flag. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a large section about the colors being flipped and how this interacted with the spoken language historically. It's too large a block of text to leave unsourced so I'd like to pull it out. I'll hold off in case anyone wants to add cites. Jasphetamine (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Ukraine FLAG SHOULD BE BLUE AND YELLOW PLEASE CHANGE NOW!!!!!!!!! 71.57.230.83 (talk) 14:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a better worded question. I'm not sure what the issue is here. (Also, please avoid caps lock. It comes across as angry, and as shouting. Thanks. Juneau Mike (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

President Zelensky held a video speech to the European Parliament, and a blue and gold flag was visible in the background. Is this a common variant? --84.132.144.110 (talk) 21:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could we get more information on the significance of the colors? I saw only a reference to "fire and water". Very plausible, but to me the colors could also refer to land and sea. (While soil is generally seen as being brown, I suspect that the yellow color refers to the crops, especially in many grains - but this is just a guess on my part) Could someone with better knowledge on this subject provide referenced explanation of that? It would improve the article. Thanks! Juneau Mike (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand from the news [citation needed] that the president has announced that May 8 will now be in remembrance of WWII and May 9 will be to remember the unity of Europe under the current invasion. I presume this affects the flag days can. Could someone with reliable access to reliable sources adjust this page accordingly?

Glory to Ukraine! 2001:1C03:430E:1E00:BD97:A4AA:29BF:8369 (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Put this in the section entitled "Return of the .. flag"

File:Competition winner Konstantin Lokhanov and Ukrainian fencer Darii Lukashenko hold the Ukrainian flag to express their support during the Russian invasion. Phoenix, Arizona, USA. June-July 2023.jpg

2603:7000:2101:AA00:C4D0:A137:4AA8:D17A (talk) 04:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it belong in this article? Mellk (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article was spreading (until my changes yesterday) a claim that there was a colour change in 2006. The spreading part was successful, it made it to a few dozen wikis. The claim did not cite any sources though:

1. The article contradicted itself on which flag was used before 2006. It cited both File:Flag of Ukraine (1992–2006).svg and File:Flag of Ukraine (fair blue).svg as official flags in this period.
2. The only two sources to confirm this 'change' were the 2006 standard and the 1992 law. Still the 1992 law just defines the colours as (dark) blue and yellow without specifying exact shades, while the 2006 standard keeps the same colour names and defines precise shades. These two sources combined are not an evidence that there was a change in 2006 at all.
3. There is no source confirming what the 1992–2006 'official' design actually was. We can see a decent use of File:Flag of Ukraine.svg in that period, starting with this 1992 postage stamp dedicated to the official flag approval, and up to official photos from 1999, 2001 or 2002. Of course there were other designs used: File:Leonid Kadenyuk.jpg already used in the article is a great illustration of using two different shades simultaneously. This source specifically on the topic of flag colours says that the shade of blue (dark rather than sky) was already chosen back in 1992, so File:Flag of Ukraine (fair blue).svg couldn't have been official after 1992 (although it's still sometimes used). In addition, this article mentions 2006 as a straightforward confirmation of the existing variant rather than a new variant. Regarding File:Flag of Ukraine (1992–2006).svg, it seems to be just an accidental (and wrong because immediately self-reverted) choice of colors by an early Commons user, see c:File talk:Flag of Ukraine (1992–2006).svg. No evidence any of these variants was ever officially endorsed in any way, rather there was no common standard and different flag manufacturers and flag users used different colours.
4. There is no source explicitly stating that colours were changed in 2006. This is not a popular theory in Ukraine (or actually anywhere outside English Wikipedia), so there also no sources debunking this theory.

Thus please provide reliable sources confirming that the 2006 change actually existed before putting it back to the article. Thanks — NickK (talk) 11:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]