Talk:Rick Beato

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• I don't think this page should exist under the A7 guidelines for notoriety. Thank you for your concern. Rick Beato is not of great note to my personal knowledge of the music community as well. - [User:Wbvillerius] 02:52 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbvillerius (talk • contribs)

On the contrary, his music theory and musical analysis lessons are without parallel. I have had cause to look him up and am very grateful for the resultant data, thousands of other people will be in the same situation. 2.28.151.250 (talk)

• @ 2.28.151.250 @ Wbvillerius. Whether your's or anyone else's personal opinion of a person is appreciative or non-appreciative is neither here nor there for Wikipedia. It's all down to reliable sources to prove notability in Wikipedia terms. I am on the fence here. There appear to be a few sources that are independent (but are they notable or 'multiple' enough?), but most are self-referencing. I certainly think the article needs close attention. I have added a find sources temp. Acabashi (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Every stated fact on this article can be derived from Rick's own YT page. If it doesn't appear here, Rick doesn't say it himself on YT. This is more a hype piece or a digest of his YT content than a wiki page. But my opinion is that hard drive space isn't that costly.2603:7081:1342:9B00:9890:50EE:295B:75AA (talk) 11:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• As far as I`m concerned people can write anything they want here as long as it`s supported 173.42.25.211 (talk) 21:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Walter Görlitz It is odd that you are reverting things to your preferred version and removing a reference for his Sony record deal. The notability is established by references and it is no longer a stub, so the reinstalling the notability template and stub category is also odd. Additionally you reverted my "in use" template. I hope you can see how your edits are disturbing the process. I began the job of adding references - to remove the template since nobody else was doing the work. Please allow me to edit the page without displaying these WP:OWNBEHAVIORS. Lightburst (talk) 18:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst: It's not my preferred version. If I have removed a reference, it was uninteional. I reverted you because of the other correct and explained changes of mine you reverted.

Do you recognize how your edits are not following manuals of style or editing guidelines? MOS:DATETIES states that American subjects should use DMY date formatting. The infobox template states lists are not required until more than three items exist. It also explains associations. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And MOS:PUNCT. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And MOS:CAPS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Show me where th references that I removed were? Also, no, notability has not been established and yes, the article still is a stub. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to place an AfD on the article. But hanging a notability template in perpetuity is not how we do things on WP. Especially since the article is now referenced with non-trivial reliable sources. You have removed the reference to the Sony record deal with a ref from the Senate Subcommittee in the infobox. Personally I do not think that editors should try to control an article after it is in main space. It does not help the project to operate in a less than collegial manner. Lightburst (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have not done WP:BEFORE so it would be inappropriate of me to take the article to AfD at this point, but I would likely PROD it first because the only source that is presently here that helps the subject meet WP:GNG is the jazzguitartoday.com piece. The STJ piece is close. From all the mistakes you've made, already listed above to the DAB link you just added, I find it ironic that you think you can lecture me on how we do things on WP.

For instance, you only quote one and half parts of GNG. The one you highlight is 1) reliable sources and you miss 2) independent of the subject, but I don't think we have a problem with that. What you allude is that there is coverage, but the requirement is significant coverage and the only place I see that is in the jazzguitartoday.com piece. I wasn't trying to step on your toes. I was actually fixing all the problems you introduced, but don't for a second assume that the subject meets GNG at this point and that three paragraphs of information means we do not have a stub. That's not how we do things on Wikipedia.

Also, you have claimed {You have removed the reference to the Sony record deal with a ref from the Senate Subcommittee in the infobox or similar twice. The parameter from which I removed the music published company is label and Template:Infobox musical artist#label states that is for "The record label or labels to which the act has been signed". A music publishing company is not a record label. Beato was signed as a staff writer to be a songwriter, not as an artist to release albums on a record label.

Furthermore, the infobox is to summarize "key features of the page's subject". It does not introduce novel information not discussed or sourced in the article. That would be things like birth dates, or associations with bands, or record labels to which the subject is signed, or birth places, or genres, or places of residence, or professions, or years active, or education, or instruments played. In short, Wikipedia projects expect the subject to be addressed in referenced prose, not bullet points in lists or infoboxes. Again, the way you approach article creation is not how we do things on Wikipedia. And for the record, I'm a fan of Beato's YouTube channel and have seen him play more instruments than just the guitar, but also know he's not a singer. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can see by looking at my contributions and articles started that I am here to build an encyclopedia. Essentially I have improved this two sentence stub and turned it into an article. You are providing a headwind. I appreciate your positive contributions in regard to the WP minutia. In regard to the latest revert on the article. Regarding the birthdate of this person, the first birthdate was a leftover from the infobox which I copied from another article. The second was an error of the year 63 instead of 62. The birthday is now correct. Lightburst (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for improving the article, but I see WP:OWN behaviour. I see deliberately circumventing BLP issues, specifically, WP:DOB. You started by supplying an unsourced category. Then changed it to another. Then you added an unsourced birth date for the subject's infobox and then tweaked it to have a different month and date. Finally, you tweaked it one more time without correcting the earlier unsourced cat. Do you have a source for any of these edits? If not, we should remove it and I will take it to an outside forum if you can't supply one. While you find an actual reliable source, I have tagged the infobox entry and it once again misses the point of not introducing new content in the infobox. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's an extensive article about Beato at https://en.everybodywiki.com/Rick_Beato licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0, so it could be imported here.

It is (mostly) referenced, albeit those references are mostly to things Beato has said himself about himself in his own videos. So we could consider whether that is sufficient.

Here's also an interview video where he discusses his background and influences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT0EXrycdNE Jheald (talk) 10:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...There may be some sources in there. Lightburst (talk) 13:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Jheald Gold Seems he received a gold button from YouTube. That seems like a milestone award. Lightburst (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Görlitz Your PA edit summary is unwelcome. The listing of a song credit is not a copyright violation and was not copied verbatim. In looking at your extensive block log for socking and for edit warring I understand now why you are presently partially blocked. be careful how you proceed with your disruptive editing and incorrect edit summaries on this article. Lightburst (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Let's look at this then.

Your edit reads, “Carolina” with Parmalee in 2013, Number 1 on the Billboard’s Country Music Chart.

The Endowed Chair Schedule: Rick Beato Wordpress page on School of Music - University of Alabama College of Arts reads, "He co-wrote “Carolina” with Parmalee in 2013, which climbed to number 1 on the Billboard’s Country Music Chart."] (emphasis mine). You deleted three words at the start and three in the middle, and (incorrectly) capitalized one word. It is otherwise a verbatim copy, curly quotes and all (which goes against MOS:PUNCT).

WP:COPYVIO is clear: you violated the site's copyright. Be careful how you proceed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Your edits are unhelpful. Learn from your many blocks ...on your own user page you attempt to justify your many previous blocks for edit warring. Quit your obsessing - dotting the i's and crossing the t's is not building an encyclopedia. Your latest harassment is to accuse me of copyvio. If you think that is a copyvio go report it. If not stop harassing an editor who is a content creator. I will no longer respond to your unhelpful comments and edits. Lightburst (talk) 22:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My edits are correct. Have you read MOS:PUNCT? Do you understand why I applied that change. The capitalization and order of parameters is correct. I am not harassing you and you are not the WP:OWNer of this article. If you want to keep commenting on the editor rather than the content, you might be blocked. Since I fixed the copyvio, and you commented on it, I was simply responding to your claim of innocence. No harassment was intended. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So I'll do this here: you have twice reverting a standard MOS:PUNCT "Use straight apostrophes ('), not curly apostrophes (’)." The first time you claimed it was tedious and the second time you reverted it along with the correct formatting of the references. Is there a reason that you are wilfully ignoring the manual of style or do you just think I'm out to get you? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Handbags at dawn? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.151.250 (talk) 12:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was communicated to me from Rick Beato in an email - Hi X, My birthdate is wrong too. It’s April 24 1962. I’m 58. 10 Star Records is not named after Johnny Diamond. I had a record label with Johnny Diamond called 10 Star Records. Thanks! Rick Also here on Youtube 1. Also confirmed with Facebook posts 2 and listed in other media. Lightburst (talk) 15:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter 3 - 4. Lightburst (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the details. Aside from the email, none of the primary sources are clear that the subject's birthday is April 24, 1962, but with the greetings all happening on the same day and the two indicating 58. we can piece it together and WP:CALC applies.

On a separate note, why are you in communication with the subject via email? Are you aware of our conflict of interest guidelines? It doesn't state that you cannot communicate with subjects, but if you are, you should probably declare that here or on your talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:34, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Occasionally I contact a subject or company to ask if they have any in depth references which are not accessible by search engine. i.e. Magazines, newspapers and the like - notability here is often only determined by google hits. I also have a newspapers account which I have not used for Beato yet. I am sure I do not have a WP:COI in regard to Beato - I never let the subject direct any edits and I do not create articles at anyone's behest or for $. Lightburst (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers reveals an article about Beato producing Shane Gamble (2014). Frederick News Post. Guy performed at the CMAs but the article is not more than a mention with more name drops for Parmalee etc. Did not find more with my Newspaper search terms Rick Beato music. Lightburst (talk) 20:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to find some sources for Rick Beato's "Apple - It's Good If You Like Crap!" video, and how he used a Hackintosh in his studio, but I can't find anything in what we'd normally call reliable and independent sources. I wonder if anyone else can? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/us/rick-beato-youtube-everything-music-cec/index.html This was just trimmed from the ELs. I feel that it improves the article by solidifying Beato as recognized by the general public rather than just musicians or YouTubers. Is there anything in anyone else's opinion that can be added from that to the text without being redundant? Would it be excessive to readd it to ELs? Mapsax (talk) 00:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mapsax, I added his job before becoming a songwriter (teaching jazz studies at Ithaca), using that article as a source. Schazjmd (talk) 19:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schazjmd: That works, thank you. Mapsax (talk) 01:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I popped in to correct the spelling of stewart copeland's name in the list in the article ('steward', it said), & it took me ages to find it whilst in edit mode because the list is full of extended hyperlinks to various things, probably mostly the actual yt videos of these interviews. is this normal?

duncanrmi (talk) 22:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Duncanrmi, those are citations to the sources. (It helps to turn on syntax highlighting.) I think the list is excessive, but they do all seem to cite independent sources, not the interviews themselves. Schazjmd (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basic information to add to this article (in order to help make it more properly encyclopedic): the name of Beato's spouse and the number of his children. Source: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/us/rick-beato-youtube-everything-music-cec/index.html 98.123.38.211 (talk) 01:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]