Talk:Ursula Sillge/GA1

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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 15:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll take this one, will be a nice chance to work with you again SusunW and the article looks superinteresting! Mujinga (talk) 15:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Looking forward to improving it. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 15:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you had a nice solstice, comments on their way ... Mujinga (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean by that that my oncologist confirmed that I am cancer-free and that I don't have to come back for 9 months, then yes, it was fabulous! Longest celebratory day ever. SusunW (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Woah! That's GOOD NEWS!! Very happy to hear Mujinga (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What a cool woman, good that she made it through the Stasi times. I've made some comments on prose below, see what you think. I'll put the article on hold now. Mujinga (talk) 16:45, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so too. Totally ran across her "by accident" looking for something else. I just thought her story should be told. Wish I had found photos of her, but maybe someday... SusunW (talk) 16:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• earwig raises no copyvio concerns
• pic relevant and appropriately licensed
• article is well-written, neutral tone, focused and broad
• article is stable and there's no original research
• references are topnotch and well laid-out

• Working on this version I'll go through the text and do some spotchecks
• In the lead, could wikilink lesbian, LGBT, Berlin Wall

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• There's 2x"in the country"

• Changed 1st instance to East Germany SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• For me Iron Curtain would be more usual than "iron curtain"

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Infobox ok [obvs a foto would be nice but it's sadly not a surprise there isn't one of her available]

• Yes, totally frustrating. As I don't speak German and it was very difficult to work out some of the South German dialect (literally discussed it on 4 different user pages), I didn't even attempt to try to find her and e-mail her. But, maybe someone will go stay in her hostel and take a photo someday. SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• spotcheck 1: backs claims - also says DoB was 7/1/46

• Yes, didn't publish as it was the only source that listed a date, so clearly NOT widely known. SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I was slightly thrown by "animal husbandry" in the lead and "breeding cattle" in the article. I also wonder if it's necessary to mention she was a farmer since it isn't really mentioned in the text further than her training.

• The specialty of agricultural studies that deals with breeding is animal husbandry. That would be it's title in a university field, as breeding is only one aspect. Kinda like an ophthalmologist is a specialty for medicine. Perhaps it would be clearer if I said she studied animal husbandry with a specialty in breeding? (I left the farming in because it was a completely left-field trajectory for a human rights activist and I appreciated the irony that rural people are often stereotyped as "traditional and conservative".) If that works, then done. SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yeah that works! Mujinga (talk) 17:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "girl friend" could be "girlfriend"

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "to allow them to gather at von Mahlsdorf's forcing HIB to try" suggest "to allow them to gather at the venue, forcing HIB to try"

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• sexology could be wikilinked

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• spotcheck 4: "Sillge acknowledged to writer Liesa Hellman that she was unemployed in the period and learned after reading the Stati's file on her after unification that it was because they had spread a rumor that she was an operative" - source covers claims

• In 1991, Sillge founded the Lila Women's Archive, - where was it based?

• Added Berlin (not sure if that early it was still called East Berlin, but now it would simply be Berlin.) SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Un-Sichtbare Frauen: Lesben und ihre Emanzipation in der DDR (Invisible Women: Lesbians and Their Emancipation in the GDR) - english title can also be italicized

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "women behind the iron curtain - I'd again prefer Iron Curtain

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg can be linked, also in pic caption

• Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying link it in the photo as it comes first but not in the text? I linked it only in the text because of WP:Overlink SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was saying both. Under the bit you linked to is MOS:REPEATLINK which starts off "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but it may be repeated if helpful for readers, such as in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Das Burlebübele mag i net ("I Don't Like the Bumpkin") - english can also be italicized

•  Done SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Spotcheck 39: Samuel Clowes Huneke, who wrote a book in 2022 contrasting the experiences of the LGBT community in East and West Germany, called Sillge "one of the main queer activists in East Germany in the 1970s and 1980s".[39] - source backs claims and quote
• the selected works section is possibly a bit on the long side? maybe you could pick 3 of her most wellknown works or perhaps theres a justification for all six?

• I think in part it appears long because the dang German titles of even publishers are so long. But, I truly wanted to give her credit for her works, as I suspect (not without reason) that the Stasi quite probably suppressed her ability to publish, since they wouldn't allow her academic credentials. I could cut them if you think it's necessary, but I'd rather not. SusunW (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough! Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mujinga, I think I have answered everything, but am happy to discuss. Thank you so much for the review. I appreciate your efforts in improving the article. Let me know if we need to do anything further. SusunW (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one, this is now a good article, congrats and keep 'em coming! I'd prefer a link for Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg in the caption as well, but I'm not going to hold the review just on that. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 18:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]