Talk:War guilt question

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Section sizes Section size for War guilt question (53 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 3,391 3,391 Terminology 1,267 1,267 Background: World War I 410 5,225 Outbreak of war 2,361 2,361 Concluding peace 1,230 1,230 Innocence campaign 1,224 1,224 In the Weimar Republic 55 42,301 Treaty of Versailles 60 6,518 Overview and Treaty clauses 1,377 1,377 War Guilt Clause as the basis for reparations 2,176 2,176 Impact in Germany 2,905 2,905 Reactions 19 4,182 Calls for an International tribunal 2,571 2,571 Landsberg project 1,592 1,592 Propaganda response 2,700 8,790 War Guilt Section 3,174 3,174 Center for the Study of the Causes of the War 640 640 Working Committee of German Associations 2,276 2,276 Dealing with the issue and responsibilities 132 16,579 Potsdam Reichsarchiv 1,989 1,989 Acknowledging the question 5,182 5,182 Historians of the Sacred Union 190 190 Historians with minority views 173 173 Walter Fabian 856 8,913 Pre-war policy 1,900 1,900 The July Crisis and mobilization 1,922 1,922 Supremacy of the army 4,235 4,235 Further evolution 1,655 1,655 Decline of the Social Democrats 2,473 2,473 Rise of the National Socialists 2,049 2,049 National Socialism 4,892 4,892 In other countries 1,422 19,814 France 3,649 3,649 Great Britain 8,941 8,941 Soviet Union 2,198 2,198 United States 2,344 2,344 Austria 1,260 1,260 Post-World War II 150 5,431 West Germany 1,669 1,669 Fischer controversy 3,612 3,612 Contemporary research 7,788 7,788 See also 1,226 1,226 References 18 5,837 Notes 5,788 5,788 Citations 31 31 Works cited 38,381 38,381 Further reading 23 11,951 Pre-WW I events 2,626 2,626 Contemporary publications from the Weimar Republic 1,109 1,109 Debate descriptions 1,490 1,490 Fischer Controversy 1,807 1,807 Recent analyses 2,329 2,329 Other aspects 2,567 2,567 Total 147,504 147,504

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Mathglot (talk) 12:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Others

• from Centre for the Study of the Causes of the War#Overview – two {{Further}} links, to the War Guilt Section, and the Working Committee of German Associations.

• Arbeitsausschuss Deutscher Verbände --> ~#Working Committee of German Associations (section, subtopic, lang(de>en), possibilities, printworthy)
• Working Committee of German Associations --> ~#~ (section, subtopic, possibilities, printworthy)
• Historians of the Sacred Union
• Erfüllungspolitik --> ~#~ (section, subtopic, lang(de>en), possibilities, printworthy)

Mathglot (talk) 10:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Q: Why is this article called "War guilt question", when every other Wikipedia calls it the same thing, after the German word for it?

A: Because a careful search of books and other reliable sources in English, shows that the English phrase is the more common one in English sources. Sources generally do mention the German word from which the English calque is derived, but then they use the English expression, or after the first time, a shortened version of it ("the question", "the issue", etc.). There are some English sources that do use the German word throughout, but they are a minority.

Q: What about the capitalization? Why not, "War Guilt Question"?

A: Same as above. Mathglot (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It also has other names in English, including: war guilt thesis, question of German guilt, question of German war guilt, and war guilt problem. But some are just elegant variation, and none are as common in English as "war guilt question", which started to appear almost immediately, for example in 1920,^[1] and 1930.^[2]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathglot (talk • contribs) 00:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two articles on foreign Wikipedias have "Featured article" status: the French article, and the German article. (Note that they have the same name; the French article borrowed the German word as the title, because that's what reliable sources in French do.) Details on the section structure of these two articles follows. Mathglot (talk) 00:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The section structure of the French Featured Article fr:Kriegsschuldfrage with translated section headers can be viewed in its entirety at User:Mathglot/sandbox/War guilt question/French article sections. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the section organization from rev 202268988 of the German Featured Article de:Kriesgsschuldfrage, translated into English. It can be viewed at User:Mathglot/sandbox/War guilt question/German article sections. Mathglot (talk) 03:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mathglot (talk) 22:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Launched to main space. Only two article in-links currently; need to provide more. Mathglot (talk) 04:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted the Erfüllungspolitik section and some of the Gustav Stresemann section because they have all but no relationship to war guilt and are written so badly (or at least the French wiki article that they're translated from was) that they make no coherent sense. Erfüllungspolitik wasn't a blanket policy of "appeasement" as the writer of the article seemed to think. It was a focused policy implemented by Chancellor Joseph Wirth in response to the London Ultimatum on reparations (see here): "Erfüllung" means "fulfilment", not "appeasement". Germany did not in any way "acknowledge part of its responsibility for the war" by agreeing to pay as the London Ultimatum demanded. Wirth was trying to show the Allies that the payments were too high in order to force them to be lowered. That was it. GHStPaulMN (talk) 01:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]