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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 10:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Wisne

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Autobiography of non-notable actor. Tons of references, but no evidence of notability. Recommend Delete. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 07:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on

ATTENTION

This is not an article about being an actor. Andy is a recognizable name for many reasons as the article well documents.

hold on Being a starter for the University of Notre Dame is considered a major accompishment. Andy is a public figure and recognizable name as both an actor and former accomplished athlete at a historic University. Andy has been on NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,ESPN,LA Times,Chicago Sun Times, Many other Ap sources, editorials. Andy was also invited to speak at Notre Dame.

hold on

ATTENTION

This is not an article about being an actor. Andy is a recognizable name for many reasons as the article well documents.


The article has recently as of Febuary 24, 2008 been cleaned up and tightened. New references have been added and many old ones removed. Spelling corrections were made.

Irish starter at nose guard in 2001,Irish regular at defensive tackle to begin 2000,first-team all-state in '96, brother Jerry USA Today First Team All American on Defense at Jenks, played at Notre dame and with the Chicago Bears and Green bay Packers, Father Gerald 1966 National Championship team, Andy Wisne Performed Stand Up comedy with Lou Ferrigno and Natasha Leggero, Featured in a huge front page Los Angeles Times Cover story in November 27, 2002 about transitioning from football to becoming an actor. Aunt Pam is a four time emmy award winner,Sister-in-law Shannon was an All-American Swimmer at Notre Dame,Performed at the World Famous Hollywood Improv playing Mac Daddy (in Elvis costume) in multiple productions of Ryan Litzinger's "Shakespeare's Punk Rock". Article in South Bend Tribune 2 Day Story,Treated for Bipolar disorder. Andy is now properly medicated and treated,Awarded scholarships to play football from: The University of Notre Dame, University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University, University of Arkansas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Kansas State, Rice, University of Missouri,The Air Force Academy, Baylor, Rice. Also recruited by Harvard, Yale, and Penn, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk)


Please pay close attention to the following listed in Wikipedia-

"check the deletion policy to see what things are not reasons for deletion. Consider whether you actually want the article to be merged, expanded, or cleaned up rather than deleted, and use the appropriate mechanism instead of AFD. before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

None of the following were breached- Reasons for deletion include but are not limited to violation of copyright, content that does not belong in an encyclopedia, content not verifiable in a reliable source, and unreferenced negative content in biographies of living persons. In the normal operations of Wikipedia, approximately five thousand pages are deleted each day through the processes outlined below. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irish starter at nose guard in 2001,Irish regular at defensive tackle to begin 2000,first-team all-state in '96, brother Jerry USA Today First Team All American on Defense at Jenks, played at Notre dame and with the Chicago Bears and Green bay Packers, Father Gerald 1966 National Championship team, Andy Wisne Performed Stand Up comedy with Lou Ferrigno and Natasha Leggero, Featured in a huge front page Los Angeles Times Cover story in November 27, 2002 about transitioning from football to becoming an actor. Aunt Pam is a four time emmy award winner,Sister-in-law Shannon was an All-American Swimmer at Notre Dame,Performed at the World Famous Hollywood Improv playing Mac Daddy (in Elvis costume) in multiple productions of Ryan Litzinger's "Shakespeare's Punk Rock". Article in South Bend Tribune 2 Day Story,Treated for Bipolar disorder. Andy is now properly medicated and treated,Awarded scholarships to play football from: The University of Notre Dame, University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University, University of Arkansas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Kansas State, Rice, University of Missouri,The Air Force Academy, Baylor, Rice. Also recruited by Harvard, Yale, and Penn, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's nice and all, but you can't write an article about yourself. It's literally one of the first rules here. HalfShadow (talk) 00:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest- Wikipedia hold on

Andy Wisne is a credited writer and actor. confirmation professional and academic expertise

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason'- Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 01:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Andy Wisne is a recognizable name and notable for many reasons as referenced in article. Starter for the University of Notre Dame football team, family football legacy (Notre Dame/NFL legacy, and an up an comming actor featured in the Los Angeles times, featured on NBC halftime special, Chicago times, and many other sources. How is that not notable??? hold on

Jimmy Clausen has a page and he is only a freshman at ND?


See also: Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia original research# Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest- Wikipedia

Andy Wisne is a credited writer and actor. confirmation professional and academic expertise

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason- Wikipedia

Obviously persuasion to delete this article comes from personal uninterest in the subjsect matter at hand. After examining some of the Wikipedia's articles there should be no reason for discussion as listed above- ////Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article-Wikipedia

  • On the contrary. Andy wisne has became a name synonymous for perseverance. At a time in history where people need to stand up and lead for human values and strength it is vastly important that the work of such role models not to be underminded, undervalued, or kept hidden solely from a public opinion of like and dislike. Performing at the Improv with Lou Ferrigno and undermining it by saying it is "just" straight to video is poposterous. Andy is someone who has paid dues beyond belief as documented in many stories. His status as a non notable actor is beside the point. Andy is known as an over achieving athlete that broke into another business. This is more than being about an actor. It is about a family legacy, a human being with morality and ethics, and with this he is a RECOGNIZABLE NAME. Thank you for your time.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andywisne (talk • contribs) 01:53, 21 February 2008

Reply to below imdb is an official recourse of refrence for professionalism for actors, director, writers, producers- so on. His improv work can be tracked to the LA Connection comedy theatre. I'm sure they have a number on 411. His director of the improv is listed on the imdb biographyof andy wisne at the top. I'm sure the director Dan Weisman will clarify it for you. The names of actors, directors and crew for sitcom 37b and their salary and wages can be tracked to the director Christopher Demanci. His name is listed on imdb. Not only that but there are contracts on hand in which actor and crew signed that he can supply copies of it. I'm sure someone closely connected with each project would have made a phone call by now if the accusations were false. The article will get cleaned up but there is absolutely no reason that an article on Andy Wisne should exist.


  • Delete Largely sourced to the IMDB entry, which can't be considered wholly reliable for biographical details, and which lists his few credits as either straight-to-video or minor television roles (eg. "Bar Patron" in an episode of Ally McBeal). Beyond this, there doesn't appear to be significant, independent coverage of his improv work, and the pilot Sitcom 37B in which he's cast is sourced to a post on Craigslist.[1] Throwing COI concerns into the mix, this appears to be an exercise in self-promotion. --Sturm 15:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest- Wikipedia

Andy Wisne is a credited writer and actor. confirmation professional and academic expertise

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason- Wikipedia hold on Reply to above imdb is an official recourse of refrence for professionalism for actors, director, writers, producers- so on. His improv work can be tracked to the LA Connection comedy theatre. I'm sure they have a number on 411. His director of the improv is listed on the imdb biographyof andy wisne at the top. I'm sure the director Dan Weisman will clarify it for you. The names of actors, directors and crew for sitcom 37b and their salary and wages can be tracked to the director Christopher Demanci. His name is listed on imdb. Not only that but there are contracts on hand in which actor and crew signed that he can supply copies of it. I'm sure someone closely connected with each project would have made a phone call by now if the accusations were false. The article will get cleaned up but there is absolutely no reason that an article on Andy Wisne should not exist.

Also Andy Wisne recieved a co-star billing in the Pilot "Sweet Potato Queens" in which he delivered lines to actress Delta Burke. 300 pound Notre Dame football player becomes a 200 lb sitcom actor and has the Los Angeles Times write an article and that is non notable? Gimme a break. Andy chose to put uncredited on the role because he felt he could do better. This could be confirmed with Eddie Winkler (now at ACME Talent and Literary) when and was with him at Buchwald Talent Group. I'm sure they have a pay stub on file

Irish starter at nose guard in 2001,Irish regular at defensive tackle to begin 2000,first-team all-state in '96, brother Jerry USA Today First Team All American on Defense at Jenks, played at Notre dame and with the Chicago Bears and Green bay Packers, Father Gerald 1966 National Championship team, Andy Wisne Performed Stand Up comedy with Lou Ferrigno and Natasha Leggero, Featured in a huge front page Los Angeles Times Cover story in November 27, 2002 about transitioning from football to becoming an actor. Aunt Pam is a four time emmy award winner,Sister-in-law Shannon was an All-American Swimmer at Notre Dame,Performed at the World Famous Hollywood Improv playing Mac Daddy (in Elvis costume) in multiple productions of Ryan Litzinger's "Shakespeare's Punk Rock". Article in South Bend Tribune 2 Day Story,Treated for Bipolar disorder. Andy is now properly medicated and treated,Awarded scholarships to play football from: The University of Notre Dame, University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University, University of Arkansas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Kansas State, Rice, University of Missouri,The Air Force Academy, Baylor, Rice. Also recruited by Harvard, Yale, and Penn,

Jimmy Clausen has a page and he is only a freshman at ND?

hold on

Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest- Wikipedia

Andy Wisne is a credited writer and actor. confirmation professional and academic expertise

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason- Wikipedia


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This information should be included as it will help many people to never give up on their dreams and to keep going. Including the article is more about the journey of an artist and him wanting to share his trials and tribulations and overcomming them. The story is unique in itself, interesting to the masses, historical fact. Being a Notre Dame legacy is reason enough. The story from the Los Angeles Times introducing Andy as a more prevelent public figure is double the reason. Andy loves what he does and I think any agent, manager, or publisist would make sure the biography of Andy Wisne be included in the Wikepedia. Andy is without representation at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on hold on —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 01:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC) Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest- Wikipedia hold on[reply]

Andy Wisne is a credited writer and actor. confirmation professional and academic expertise

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason- Wikipedia


hold on This information should be included as it will help many people to never give up on their dreams and to keep going. Including the article is more about the journey of an artist and him wanting to share his trials and tribulations and overcomming them. The story is unique in itself, interesting to the masses, historical fact. Being a Notre Dame legacy is reason enough. The story from the Los Angeles Times introducing Andy as a more prevelent public figure is double the reason. Andy loves what he does and I think any agent, manager, or publisist would make sure the biography of Andy Wisne be included in the Wikepedia. Andy is without representation at the time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Nuetral point of view was not breached.  All information is well documented and referenced

Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason'- Wikipedia

hold on This should have been entered in Wikipedia a long time ago. The author does not matter as long as the facts are truth and that was not breached. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources.- Wikipedia. With this said the featured stories are far more flattering than what the author has wrote. It is a combination of getting respect with much humility. The article could have been much longer than entered. Notable and recognizable name can not be denied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.231.133 (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on

I'm sure the millions who follow Notre Dame football find it comprehensible. Many of those same fans a have watched and are watching Andy Wisne's progress. Just because you can't comprehend it does not mean others do not

  • Delete. Self-promotion. Cluttering this AfD with ramblings does not help the guy's case. "Irish starter at nose guard" is totally incomprehensible - it does not become any more comprehensible by being stated three times! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hold on Being a starter for the University of Notre Dame is considered a major accompishment. Andy is a public figure and recognizable name as both an actor and former accomplished athlete at a historic University. Andy has been on NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,ESPN,LA Times,Chicago Sun Times, Many other Ap sources, editorials. Andy was also invited to speak at Notre Dame.

hold on

I'm sure the millions who follow Notre Dame football find it comprehensible. Many of those same fans a have watched and are watching Andy Wisne's progress. Just because you can't comprehend it does not mean others do not


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