Talk:Ariel 1

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One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://space.co.uk/Features/UKSpaceExploration/ARIEL1/tabid/245/Default.aspx. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a look at the content you removed, and while I agree that it is similar, I don't feel that it is "closely paraphrased", I just feel that there are only so many ways you can say the same thing, which has resulted in some minor, unintentional, similarity to one of the sources. I do not feel that it is sufficient to constitute a copyright violation. Please can you recheck, and if you feel there is still an issue, please could you clarify it. --GW… 18:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To begin with, have a look where it was added:[1]. The notice here refers not only to my removal, but to the material you already cleaned from that paste. I'm sure we would agree that this is a problem from a copyright standpoint. Given that blatant copy, I do not feel we can afford to closely paraphrase here but must be particularly careful to use original text. Verbatim duplication included: "In 1959 at a meeting of the Committee on Space Research the United States offered to". Very close paraphrase is in "The scope of the programme and division of responsibility was agreed in early 1960", which the source renders "the program scope and division of responsibility being agreed during discussions in late 1959". We have some verbatim language and identical structure. While overall the material has been well rewritten, I do not think that limited means of expression prevent our putting those fragments as well into original language. For example, the whole problematic passage could be rerendered, "Ariel 1 developed from an offer made by the United States in 1959 at a Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) meeting to provide assistance to other countries with the development and launch of scientific satellites. In late 1959, the Science and Engineering Research Council proposed the development of Ariel 1 to NASA, and by early the following year the two entities had come to terms on the programme's scope and which entity would be responsible for what." Of course, this isn't the only way that it can be revised. I simply offer it as an example in demonstration that syntax and diction do not need to follow that original source and particular given the extensiveness of first offense I feel they should not. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've inserted a new paragraph to deal with the issue. It is based on your suggestion, so I have given you credit for it. --GW… 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the latest edition of the UK Space Agency's Space:uk magazine, [2], on the final page there is an artists impression of Ariel 1 which is credited to NASA. If anyone can find this we might be able to obtain the image for use on Wikipedia. ChiZeroOne (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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