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"After Vance debated Walz"

One of the debaters is provided: Vance.

The subject of the debate is provided: Walz.

Who was the other debater / who were the other debaters? 86.160.95.7 (talk) 09:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to the U.S. Vice Presidential debate hosted by CBS news, there were no other debaters. As such, I'm not sure what you're asking to be changed. Wozal (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me try to clarify by providing more detail.

Debated is the verb in that phrase.

Vance is the subject of the verb: the one who is debating, i.e. a debater.

Walz is the object of the verb: that which is debated.

So we have one debater, Vance, and a subject of debate, Walz.

A debate would normally comprise at least two debaters who would participate in a debate about a topic, but here we have a single debater, Vance, who is participating in a debate about the object of the verb, the topic Walz, but with whom is Vance debating the topic? 86.160.95.7 (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Made a change to the way this was phrased. Looking at the page now, it now means there are 4 paragraphs on the VP debates which now feels like it's overweighted for a single day event when compared to other sections. Wozal (talk) 22:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any consensus to add the writer infobox module given Vance's main notability prior to his political career was as an author?

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JD Vance
Official portrait, 2023
United States Senator from Ohio
Incumbent
Assumed office January 3, 2023 Serving with Sherrod Brown
Preceded by	Rob Portman
Personal details
Born	James Donald Bowman (1984-08-02) August 2, 1984 (age 40) Middletown, Ohio, US
Political party	Republican
Spouse	Usha Chilukuri ​ (m. 2014)​
Children	3
Education	Ohio State University (BA) Yale University (JD)
Occupation	Politician author venture capitalist
Signature
Website	Senate website
Military service
Branch/service	United States Marine Corps
Years of service	2003–2007
Rank	Corporal
Unit	2nd Marine Aircraft Wing
Battles/wars	Iraq War
Awards	Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal
Vance's voice Vance questions witnesses on the effectiveness of Russian sanctions Recorded February 28, 2023
Writing career
Genre	Memoir
Notable works	Hillbilly Elegy
Notable awards	Audie Award for Nonfiction 2017

RachelTensions (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah. Hillbilly Elegy was indeed a notable book with longlasting attention past publication. Vance is very tied in with the book and well, other things that have come with being associated with it, per JD Vance couch hoax and whatnot. That's just an indicator of its notability, and Vance ties in with it. so Yeah. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't supported by the citation. The cited article links to another article which mentions that Vance attended a Peter Thiel talk and then years later converted to Catholicism after reading Augustine. The claim that Thiel influenced him to convert to Catholicism also makes little sense because Thiel himself is not Catholic. Duckshirt (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source says "he officially adopted the religion in 2019, under the influence of the billionaire Peter Thiel" and Thiel is intellectually Catholic, even if yes there are some obvious issues with that he is a Girardist. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason why these should even be in the lead. Looking at other VP candidates from the left and oddly enough such details are neatly tucked away in the body. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that sounds good to me, as long as it's consistent. Dr vulpes (Talk) 15:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't how policy and guideline works, its not supposed to be consistent its supposed to be neutral. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you alleging some sort of political conspiracy? It appears due to cover the political positions in this case, it might not be in others. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. =D

I can see where it's due to mention some of the bills or committees Vance was significantly involved in, but beyond that I don't see how anything else regarding his political positions are due for the lead. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're due because they've received a lot of coverage, his political positions have in fact received so much coverage that we've had to break them off into a daughter page Political positions of JD Vance. Are you arguing that a subtopic is notable enough to have its own page but not due for the lead of the main page? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, since they are covered on their own page I don't see a reason to cover and summarize the same material across several different articles. It's worth noting that many politicians at this level have a dedicated page for their political positions, because they've received a lot of coverage, yet their BLP's aren't needlessly repeating the same political talking points in their leads. I realize WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS so I'm mostly interested in hearing other editors weigh on this though before we do anything. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats literally what we're supposed to do in this context... The lead is supposed to summarize the section on political positions and the section on political positions is supposed to summarize the page on political positions. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't have anything to do with this, thats about deletion discussions. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lines "Vance has been characterized as a national conservative and right-wing populist" seem a bit misleading given that other sources characterize him as "a moderate republican with democrat tendencies" sources: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-the-jd-vance-dossier: (Mark Ferenchik, “Columbus Author Draws Crowds, Questions About Political Future,” Dayton Daily News, 8/1/17), (Robert Kuttner, “J.D. Vance: Republican Presidential Nominee In 2032?” The American Prospect, 11/21/17), (Isaac Chotiner, “A Conversation With Hillbilly Elegy Author J.D. Vance.,” Slate, 8/25/16). ElricMelvar (talk) 23:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ElricMelvar I agree with this. Although there are sources in the original it is too narrow to make such a statement. Not sure what it should be but a greater number of sources should be used to create and verify such a statement. Joecompan (talk) 07:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Current vice-president-elect. 2601:547:600:B690:A10C:3757:FA1F:BAB3 (talk) 07:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 13:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]