Talk:Spartans (Greek political party)

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The party has close and undeniable connections to Golden Dawn, Hellenes, and its leader Ilias Kassidiaris himself, who is currently serving a prison sentence. There's even a current investigation on whether that party is a sattelite party of Hellenes and Kassidiaris. The members of the party are undeniably Metaxist and have positive views on Golden Dawn and I'm pretty sure there are multiple trusted sources saying that. This, combined with a "denounce" of fascism by party leader Stigas, results in the party being cypto-fascist. Crypto-fascism is used as an ideology in other articles, such as the Proud Boys so it can fit as an ideology according to Wikipedia. I believe that it should be included as it is something related to the core ideology of the party.

Thanks to the user who reverted the edit and sorry if it was deemed as vandalism. I'm an amateur Wikipedia editor and I make small and sporadic edits. Please, at least take the proposal to characterise the party as Crypto-fascist into consideration. Bilikon (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Bilikon, " I'm pretty sure there are multiple trusted sources saying that"--well, let's have em. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Drmies https://www.kathimerini.gr/politics/562595125/spartiates-dialysi-kai-aytoenochopoiisi/ it's in Greek so I'm sorry but I don't know if it's covered in English news outlets Bilikon (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, my Greek is as bad as my Turkish. User:Vif12vf, how about you? Drmies (talk) 20:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bilikon, Drmies, Vif12vf, while it’s not perfect you could try using Google Translate (i.e., copying the text from the source into this translation tool) to translate the source into your preferred language. However, I have no personal knowledge regarding the reliability of this source itself. It would be helpful if someone could verify its reliability somehow. All the best. Helper201 (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Upon inspecting the Greek version of the page to read what is likely to be a more comprehensive look into the Spartans I have noticed a rather large discrepancy. Within the English version of this page the Spartans' ideology is listed with: neo-fascism, anti-LGBT, ultra-conservatism and ultra-nationalism; the Greek version of the page however lists: nationalism, anti-immigration and Euroscepticism. The inconsistencies continue when looking deeper into the pages. The Greek version when translated at the end of the background section states: "the party's president condemned fascism and nazism", which seems to go against the idea of it being neo-fascist. Whether or not these statements actually reflect the party's de-facto ideological beliefs given its ties to the Golden Dawn, it seems detrimental to readers that the English and Greek language versions of this page provide wildly different interpretations of the same party. JairFKennedy (talk) 20:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JairFKennedy I don't know how things are done on the Greek language Wikipedia but here we go off of what reliable sources say. We have a source that clearly calls the party neo-fascist. I can't speak for or against the reliability of these sources though and I'd have to go off translation tools for the Greek sources. Helper201 (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's irrelevant what other language Wikis have as their content. If reliable sources describe a party as being a certain ideology, then it should be listed without whitewashing.-- Autospark (talk) 13:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hidolo anti LGBT right is not an ideology. You can analyse their beliefs about gay rights, in the article. Please, don't add again. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-fascism is an ideology. Hidolo (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is an ideology, but only ONE source refers to them as neo fasists. "Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all. " If you find more reliable sources about, add them. D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are more sources to neo-fascism.[1][2][3][4] Hidolo (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To neo-nazism.[5][6][7][8][9] Hidolo (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted an edit adding "neo-fascism" to the infobox, largely because of the quality of the source rather than because the term is inaccurate. There is obviously some sensitivity with the description, but "neo-Nazi" seems more common than "neo-fascist" in the third-party descriptions. "Far-right" is what is used most commonly. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I add neo-nazism? Hidolo (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think two ideologies which are almost the same. is too much. I think neo nazi is better. Any way add citations. D.S. Lioness (talk) 01:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently the infobox source for neo-Nazism needs to be replaced with a non-opinion source; I have removed the citation and replaced with a citation needed tag. That being said, I don't support neo-Nazism being in the infobox, it seems excessive here since the party doesn't use Nazi symbolism or engage in anti-Semitism. Neo-fascism is preferable, it would cover neo-Nazism within it anyway. --Jay942942 (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are too many sources to support either one ideology or another, so the label you put on it is unnecessary. I would agree that such heavy-handed labels should not be put on infobox, but I'm afraid my opinion is in the minority. Let's remove it and if there's a problem, put it back up with a source, D.S. Lioness (talk) 16:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Michalis1994 Are there any sources to support the category? I wonder, by the way, if there is a similar category for parties who support u.s. policies. D.S. Lioness (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]