Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Battersby

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, recreate if sources can be found and cited. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 00:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Battersby

Fails WP:N (after 32 years, there's not even a press article on this person found on Google), WP:BLP, WP:RS, and this article looks like an advertisement for all of the organizations this person seems to belong to. (note my earlier prod tag was removed) - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 08:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Local politicians are inherently non-notable without significant press coverage. This is not the case here. DarkAudit (talk) 15:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 'smells of a cv transcribed' Satu Suro 07:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Grahame (talk) 02:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I have a very difficult time believing that somebody who has been a municipal councillor in a 100,000+ municipality would not meet WP:N, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of coverage here. Perhaps an editor from there could provide some offline sources? In any event, no prejudice against re-creation with third party references. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, I used to live in the area. There is an election in a merged LGA, which includes what is currently Pine Rivers Shire, in a matter of weeks. It is likely to be a bloodbath, as minor local politicians like Battersby compete for a vastly reduced pool of councillor seats. The recent creation of this article would indicate to me that this is possibly an attempt to raise Mr Battersby's profile to maximise his chances of success. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Delete, as non-notable local politician. No sources or references found to indicate that he's particularly noteworthy. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]

~~'•'Reply I created the article as a first article to hone skills in wiki but at the same time feel free to delete if it is required~~

~~•BB is one of the longest serving councillors in australia and has a park and a field named after him~~

~~•My apologies for no editing i will endeavor to bring my skills up to grade PTCQLD 10:50 5 March 2008~~

Reply to Lankiveil, BB is competing for the newly formed Division 10 with one other candidate (Martinez i think) it will be close not a bloodbath and after 32 years he does have a high profile in the area and has been featured on the ABC's stateline program as well as interviews with radio stations, although i am pro BB i still maintain him being one of the longest serving councillors is why i thought he would be worthy of a wiki link to his own page.PTCQLD (talk) 13:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)PTCQLD[reply]

Delete, as if my nomination didn't make things clear. If this is your first article, please bring [your] skills up to grade by utilizing the WP:SANDBOX. More sources are definitely needed for this article to survive from WP:RS, and of course, not just to say this person exist, but demonstrate actual WP:N as described in WP:BLP. Please do not turn a deletion of article discussion into a political one. It is not what we're discussing here. User:PTCQLD, I suggest you learn the Wikipedia syntax as well, as pasting a bullet symbol and adding random equal symbols everywhere does not work around here. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 17:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, again my apologies, I can assure you that this is in no way meant to be political even though the topic is of that nature, that again is due to inexperience and in no way meant to compromise this discussion.I am taking your advice and Bringing [my] skills up to grade.Sorry for any inconvenience to you - Jameson L. Tai. PTCQLD (talk) 07:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Citing WP:BIO.Under Heading 2, Section 2.3, paragraph 2, This man is Deputy Mayor and occasional acting Mayor, has a Centenary Medal which was presented to him by the Federal member for the area, for services to the community through local government and welfare organizations, on behalf of the then Australian Prime Minister John Howard and Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom which can be verified on the Australian Government website relating to Centenary Medals, has a sporting field named after him at the corner of Bunya Rd and Jinker Track,Ferny Hills, has a park named after him in Ferny Hills, and although I would assume with some research that after 32 years in office would have many articles relating to him published.He has also been featured in an ABC program called Stateline and had numerous interviews on local radio. I will concede that the level of distribution for these articles may not be at a national level but at a state and provincial level. Currently I can only find one other local councillor with more time in office (although since has passed away ,total 35 yrs in office).Has helped shaped what will become Australia's 3rd largest municipal council and one of the worlds fastest growing regions. PTCQLD (talk) 05:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Lack of WP:N and a lack of WP:RS still does not excuse this article from being deleted. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 08:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, PTC, if you can find the reliable sources to assert this thing, I will help you to integrate them into the article and perhaps change my !vote. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 22:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Reply,Thankyou for the offer Lankiveil, I may not be able to within the next few days but may try again at a later date. PTCQLD (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most AfDs are closed in about five days, I suggest User:PTCQLD save a copy in case of a closing admin decides to delete the article. You will not be able to retrieve the article content afterwords. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 17:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I echo Mr. Tai's suggestion, although I note that there are many admins, including myself, who are willing to provide editors with copies of deleted articles (provided, of course, that these are not used abusively by being reposted into the mainspace without substantial improvement). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated ~~the~~ my response here and also the article as wellPTCQLD (talk) 06:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reread article and placed three article tags based off of current revision. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 06:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are still several things wrong with this article:

Blatant copyright violation: Completely ripped off of the article's reference page "Councillor Battersby has been a Councillor since 1976 and is currently a member of the following Council Standing Committees and Advisory Boards: Co-ordination Committee Corporate Operations Committee Strategic & Planning Committee Disaster Management Group"
Unreferenced material:

"In 2001 Brian was awarded with a Centenary Medal for service to the community through local government and welfare organizations."
"Brian Battersby has been married to wife Lorraine for 43 years and has two daughters, Karen and Tammy." (Citing most probable to WP:OR)

Still has not resolved WP:N through more WP:RS. The one source this article is based off of is a WP:RS#TRIVIAL. WP:BLP guidelines must be met for all Wikipedia Biographies on Living Persons. And until these problems are fixed, this article still has grounds for deletion. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 06:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Thanks for all your help, I will do my best to improve this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PTCQLD (talk • contribs) 07:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for signing my name, i have added again to the article and will ahve some more information hopefully soonPTCQLD (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citing Brian Battersby's website does not qualify as a WP:RS. Please reread this standard and update the article's references as necessary. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 11:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.