Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. L. Langley (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 21:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

J. L. Langley

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Under-referenced BLP for over a decade, fails WP:NAUTHOR. The AfD from 2010 was started by a sock and closed as a speedy keep. Regardless, AfD has changed since then and I don't think the arguments in the keep votes-- that her work has been translated into other languages, or that some non-RS websites have reviewed her books, hold up now and days. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Arts, Literature, and Sexuality and gender. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with DGG :-( that it's a sign of notability, but the sourcing I can find doesn't back it up. It's all social media and other non RS. Star Mississippi 02:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I also agree with DGG (may he rest in peace) that having a novel translated into another language is a sign of nobatiblity. However, to prove notability we need significant coverage from independent, reliable sources, which I cannot find. -- Mike 🗩 19:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I feel like this individual should be notable, but I can't find much. [1] is a match on the name, but I'm unsure if it's the same person... One of the books is mentioned here [2], but it's basically a plot summary. Oaktree b (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even using ""J. L. Langley" romance novel review" all I get are links to buy the book or reviews on user generated sites. Nothing we'd use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I ran into the same @Oaktree b. Something should exist, but it does not appear to. Star Mississippi 01:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] is definitely a different JL Langley -- digging up wayback archives of the author's site, we're looking for a woman from Texas, not a man from California, and probably younger. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regretful delete. It looks like this author is pretty open that she also writes under the name Jeigh Lynn, so any sources for that author or those books could support this article too. But, I can't find anything at Kirkus or Booklist for either name, which is usually a "gimme" for reviews. I found an archive of her author site, which is usually a good source of breadcrumbs for RS because authors like to quote from good reviews, but no dice. I feel like this is an awkward blind spot for wikipedia in general: genre writers with meaningful audiences (see, e.g., this thread of people wondering about her) and even formal publishers, but no RS because reviewing in this genre happens in blogs rather than magazines. I'm not sure where Long and Short Reviews falls in terms of being "a blog" versus "an online magazine" -- unlike the others I found, it doesn't call itself a blog, it has an editorial team, they are selective in what they review, etc. But that's the best sourcing I was find for JL Langley or Jeigh Lynn. And I can't convince myself it's enough. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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