Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sucker Punch (2008 film)

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn and Delete vote struck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sucker Punch (2008 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Article fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NFO and WP:NFSOURCES. I found no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. I did a WP:BEFORE and found nothing suitable or reliable enough to pass WP:NEXIST. The Film Creator (talk) 19:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. The Film Creator (talk) 19:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There is a review in PopMatters. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The only piece of significant coverage that I could find is the popmatters review mentioned above. More is needed. -- Mike 🗩 15:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Based on the below sources.-- Mike 🗩 14:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• ....Keep. Hardy's presence has received some retrospective coverage (ex: here, here or here). The film is mentioned in The British Boxing Film. If judged insufficient, redirect to Tom Hardy#Filmography or to List of boxing films.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Maine, David (2011-12-08). "'Sucker Punch': A Series of Fights, Confrontations, Fights, Arguments, Fights, and Fights". PopMatters. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The review notes: "Hoo boy, this is a bad movie. There’s a fine tradition of powerful boxing movies out there—Raging Bull, Rocky, even Million Dollar Baby come to mind, not to mention documentaries like When We Were Kings. But Sucker Punch is a different critter altogether. It’s a poorly written, poorly executed, cliché-ridden, low-budget snoozer that’s a chore to watch. It’s not even so bad it’s good. It’s just… very tired."

  2. Glynn, Stephen (2021). The British Boxing Film. Cham: Springer Nature. ISBN 978-3-030-74209-6. Retrieved 2023-10-22 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "Shiner's Stoney-Mahoney fight footage echoes the environment (and, alas, filming technique) of another hardnosed boxing adaptation, 3 Finger Productions' Sucker Punch (Malcolm Martin, April 2008), which eschewed Shakespeare for a micro-budget British remake/update/travesty of Hard Times aka The Streetfighter (Walter Hill, 1975). In the US original, 1930s illegal prizefighter Chaney was played by Charles Bronson-real name Charles Buchinsky: in homage the similarly taciturn fighter here bears the same name. Sucker Punch relates how Buchinsky (Gordon Alexander), newly returned to London's boxing underworld, is taken up by flash, fast-talking but strictly small-time illegal fight promoter Ray ‘Harley' Davidson (Danny John Jules)—the equivalent of James Coburn's garrulous conman Speed from Hard Times. Accompanied by a soundtrack from the Stranglers' Jean-Jacques Burnel and Baz Warne, Buchinsky progresses to a climactic fight-off against rival manager Victor Maitland (UFC veteran and 2004 Cage Rage world heavyweight champion Ian 'The Machine' Freeman) and the chance to avenge a previous heavy beating: after a ten-minute laboured slog with repeated fake blood-spitting, he does so. Comic cameos from Antonio Fargas, Tamer Hassan and (a pre-fame but subsequent release-prompting) Tom Hardy seek to leaven the fight scenes' dubious brutality, but only accentuate the tonal uncertainty—a match for the film's alarmingly erratic camera focus and lighting. ..."

  3. Jenkins, Dan (2005-01-03). "Hardman sets sights on a Hollywood career". Durham County Publications. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The article notes: "North-East hardman Ian "The Machine" Freeman is taking a principal role in an independent film about the murky world of bare-knuckle fighting. ... Entitled Sucker Punch, it also stars martial arts expert Gordon Alexander, ... He was offered the role after the producers saw him in Sky One show Britain's Hardest, which he co-presented with actor Steve McFadden, former on-screen hardman Phil Mitchell in EastEnders."

  4. "Champ lines up fighting film role". Evening Chronicle. 2005-01-08. ProQuest 349781753. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The article notes: "The hard-hitting film is set in London and centres around the world of bare-knuckle fighting. ... Sucker Punch tells the story of a wronged man, Bushinski, who, 10 years after being viscously attacked by Maitland, is seeking revenge. The British, Intercontinental and World Champion ultimate fighter and dad-of-three has taken time away from the world's most violent sport to begin filming, which will end this summer. Writer and director Malcolm Martin, who worked with Brad Pitt on Fight Club, hopes the film will be shown in cinemas in 2006."

  5. Sabbaga, Julia (2020-04-24). "Além de Capone: 6 papéis em que Tom Hardy está irreconhecível" [In addition to Capone: 6 roles in which Tom Hardy is unrecognizable]. Omelete. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The article notes: "Lá por 2008, Tom Hardy já tinha feito alguns papeis em filmes maiores como Maria Antonieta e Nem Tudo é o Que Parece, mas seu personagem em Sucker Punch (não o do Zack Snyder, outro filme com o mesmo nome) trouxe de volta seu hábito de metamorfose. No longa, Hardy aparece em menos de 2 minutos como um mecânico, mas mesmo com pouco tempo de tela ele não economizou na transformação."

     From Google Translate: "By 2008, Tom Hardy had already made some roles in bigger movies like Maria Antonieta and not everything is what it seems, but his character in Sucker Punch (not Zack Snyder, another movie with the same name) brought back his habit of metamorphosis. In the feature, Hardy appears in less than 2 minutes as a mechanic, but even with a short screen time he did not save on the transformation."

  6. Less significant coverage:
     1. "A magazine editor with a lot of clout". Durham County Publications. 2005-03-01. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

        The article notes: "The 37-year-old, from Leadgate, near Consett, County Durham, recently landed a role in the independent film Sucker Punch, directed by Malcolm Martin"

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Sucker Punch to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 05:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I withdraw the nomination per consensus. The Film Creator (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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