Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 23
September 23
[edit]Category:British patrolwomen
[edit]- Propose merging Category:British patrolwomen to Category:British women police officers
- Propose merging Category:Women West Yorkshire Police officers to Category:West Yorkshire Police officers and Category:British women police officers
- Propose merging Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers to Category:British women police officers and Category:Metropolitan Police officers
- Propose merging Category:Women Merseyside Police officers to Category:People from Merseyside and Category:British women police officers
- Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge these intersections doesn't meet the criteria for defining under WP:EGRS. One note: For Women Merseyside Police officers Either dual upmerge under egrs or broaden to Merseyside Police officers. Mason (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:War Reserve officers of the Metropolitan Police
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: narrow category that's not defining Mason (talk) 23:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Russian America
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Russian America to Category:Russian colonization of North America
- Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping topics. In article space Russian America likewise redirects to Russian colonization of North America. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Oligarchy task force
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Nothing left here expect two blank pages. Gonnym (talk) 09:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Corporatism task force
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Nothing left here expect two blank pages. Gonnym (talk) 09:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fascism task force
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Nothing left here except a blank page. Gonnym (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ghanaian emigrants to Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I really don't understand the point of a category like this. Firstly, this category has a single article and is clearly not helpful for navigation. Secondly, what's the point of subnational immigration categories? If you emigrate to Wales you're actually migrating to the United Kingdom and obtaining a UK visa. Merging to the populated parent category makes sense here. AusLondonder (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom but this may need a wider nomination per nom's second point. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Query To Marcocapelle's point, do you want to nominate more emigrant categories from Category:Immigrants to Wales, Category:Immigrants to England, Category:Immigrants to Scotland and Category:Immigrants to Northern Ireland? Liz Read! Talk! 16:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The point of these categories is to eliminate the categories Welsh people of Ghanaian descent (etc, etc, etc) from the articles, which (a) adds an extra category, (b) is completely inaccurate (people who emigrate are not of Fooian descent, but are Fooian), and (c) will inevitably be added. All of us in the UK actually have British nationality, but if you want to try to eliminate all the many thousands of English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish categories then be my guest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Drum Corps International members
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Marching drum corps, and Drum Corps International groups in particular, is not a defining trait for any of these people Why? I Ask (talk) 06:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Myron Rosander is notable for his corps membership and continuing on to a lengthy career as a corps visual designer. Mitch Markovich was both a marching member as well as corps instructor and composer. Flurrious (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete. How is Drum Corps International members a defining feature for this specific organization? Mason (talk) 23:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Myron Rosander is notable for his corps membership and continuing on to a lengthy career as a corps visual designer. Mitch Markovich was both a marching member as well as corps instructor and composer. Flurrious (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, or else rename to Category:Drum corps members. Drum Corps International is a governing organization, people in this category have not been in governing positions. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Categories named after Canadian Premier League seasons
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:2019 Canadian Premier League to Category:2019 Canadian Premier League season
- Propose renaming Category:2020 Canadian Premier League to Category:2020 Canadian Premier League season
- Propose renaming Category:2021 Canadian Premier League to Category:2021 Canadian Premier League season
- Propose renaming Category:2022 Canadian Premier League to Category:2022 Canadian Premier League season
- Propose renaming Category:2023 Canadian Premier League to Category:2023 Canadian Premier League season
- Propose renaming Category:2024 Canadian Premier League to Category:2024 Canadian Premier League season
- Nominator's rationale: The names of these eponymous categories should match the title of their main articles. RedBlueGreen93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - the category names are correct, it is the articles names which need changing, see 2024–25 Premier League and Category:2024–25 Premier League, as well as many others in Category:2024–25 domestic association football leagues, none of which use 'season'. GiantSnowman 19:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Classical guitar makers
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Classical guitar makers to Category:Guitar makers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between the type guitar and occupation. Mason (talk) 04:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Flemish battle painters
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Flemish battle painters to Category:Flemish war artists
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories Mason (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Modern musical instruments
[edit]- Category:Modern musical instruments and it's subcategoriess as follows:
All arbitrary and original research; Wikipedia is supposed to be timeless. it's not like musical instruments have censors on them so that whenever they're picked up, a central database records their usage statistics; such a system would have extreme security and privacy concerns, at the very least. Also, many of these categories are small with no potential for growth. Graham87 (talk) 02:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, the categories should be limited to instruments invented after about 1800. Certainly delete Category:Modern clarinets as the only article is about an instrument invented around 1700. And if the siblings are kept then certainly merge Category:Modern miscellaneous woodwind instruments to Category:Modern musical instruments per WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Saw this earlier today. Should certainly all be deleted as it is vaguely defined and unhelpful. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Prehistoric Asia
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Prehistoric Asia to Category:Prehistory of Asia
- Nominator's rationale: merge, it is unclear how the two categories are supposed to be different from each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to the former. Category:Paleontological sites of Asia is not Prehistory in the usual sense, & should be kept out. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The latter is a fair point, I purged this subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge direction? (I will tag Category:Prehistory of Asia.)
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- I don't have a preferred merge direction, maybe User:Nederlandse Leeuw has, one way or the other. I do notice however that not just Asia has this issue, it applies likewise to all other continents. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Short answer: I'm not sure what to advise here. Seeing my previous proposal for renaming Ancient Fooland to Ancient history of Fooland was a failure, I'm reluctant to to suggest any direction to take into making these catnames more consistent, certainly as long as the main article titles are not in some way WP:TITLECONned first. But that is a discussion that should probably take place elsewhere and not here.
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- Assuming we go for a reverse merge, the list of all continents becomes as follows. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of Africa to Category:Prehistoric Africa
- Propose renaming Category:Prehistory of Antarctica to Category:Prehistoric Antarctica
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of Asia to Category:Prehistoric Asia
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of Europe to Category:Prehistoric Europe
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of North America to Category:Prehistoric North America
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of Oceania to Category:Prehistoric Oceania
- Propose merging Category:Prehistory of South America to Category:Prehistoric South America
- Comment: There is currently the article title Prehistoric Asia, and also Prehistoric Africa (but "prehistory of Africa" is used in the article body) and Prehistoric Europe. There are no dedicated articles, only redirects, for Prehistoric Oceania/Prehistory of Oceania and Prehistoric South America/Prehistory of South America. Prehistory of North America is a broken redirect to History of North America § The beginning of North America (which is no longer the title of any section of that article); however, Timeline of North American prehistory does exist. There's nothing for Antarctica. Ham II (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Do people support a merge from "Prehistory of Foo" to "Prehistoric Foo"?
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Greek mythology by region
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Aeginetan mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Aegina
- Propose renaming Category:Aetolian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Aetolia
- Propose renaming Category:Attic mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Attica
- Propose renaming Category:Eleusinian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Elefsina
- Propose renaming Category:Boeotian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Boeotia
- Propose renaming Category:Theban mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Thebes, Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Locrian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Locris
- Propose renaming Category:Corcyraean mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Corfu
- Propose renaming Category:Cretan mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Crete
- Propose renaming Category:Cypriot mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Cyprus
- Propose renaming Category:Epirotic mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Epirus
- Propose renaming Category:Arcadian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Arcadia, Peloponnese
- Propose renaming Category:Troezenian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Troezen
- Propose renaming Category:Corinthian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Corinthia
- Propose renaming Category:Elean mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Elis
- Propose renaming Category:Laconian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Laconia
- Propose renaming Category:Messenian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Messenia
- Propose renaming Category:Rhodian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Rhodes
- Propose renaming Category:Salaminian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Salamis Island
- Propose renaming Category:Thessalian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of Thessaly
- Propose renaming Category:Pierian mythology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mythology of ancient Pieria
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are for mythology relating to the places rather than mythology necessarily originating in those places, as the current titles imply. There are many Greek myths about places didn't originate in those places and many for which it is impossible to know where the myths originated. Some of the subcategories of Category:Greek mythology by region already follow the proposed naming convention. Mclay1 (talk) 12:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is "Mythology of X" any better a naming convention? To me that implies that it's mythology from that place just as much as "X-ian mythology" does. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say the proposed names work for both much more than the current names. I'm open to suggestions, however. Mclay1 (talk) 11:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is "Mythology of X" any better a naming convention? To me that implies that it's mythology from that place just as much as "X-ian mythology" does. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The rationale proposes a distinction without a difference. Additionally, renaming these will make them harder to search for, since there are already too many entries for "Mythology" to display in the search window, while most of the articles using demonyms appear right away when someone starts to type them. Consistency is not a strong argument when balanced against convenience. A handful of these names may not be familiar to readers, but readers who are familiar enough with the topics to be searching for them would probably recognize them; and many of the proposed names are equally objectionable.
- For instance, "Mythology of Elefsina", rather than "Eleusis", since inexplicably the entire history of ancient Eleusis is covered under the unrecognizable modern name of the town; "Mythology of Corfu", as though "Corfu" were the name of a place one encounters in classical history or mythology; "Mythology of Corinthia", when "Corinthia" is the name of a modern administrative region of Greece that did not exist in antiquity; "Mythology of Arcadia, Peloponnese", as though any other Arcadia would have distinctive mythological topics; "Mythology of Salamis Island", when Salamis was never so called "Salamis Island" in antiquity and will not generally be encountered under that name, and there is no corresponding mythological topic for the other Salamis, in Cyprus. P Aculeius (talk) 12:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Categories are not named based on the convenience of searching for the category name; most readers are not finding categories that way, and helping users get to them quickly is not a consideration. First and foremost should be accuracy, and these current names are not accurate. There is a distinction between the mythology relating to a place and the local mythology of the people from that place, but there is of course overlap and the proposed names work for both.
- Secondly, using the modern names of the places would be consistent with the rest of the category trees for those places (we use "Greece" and not "Hellas"); however, if it would be better to use the ancient names of the places, we can do that rather than discarding the entire rename for that reason.
- To address two specific ones: Corinthia is used for the ancient region (see Regions of ancient Greece#Corinthia), and the disambiguation in the category tree for Category:Arcadia, Peloponnese is necessary to distinguish it from other places called Arcadia. We generally keep subcategory names consistent for clarity even if they wouldn't be ambiguous. Just because we don't currently have mythology categories for other places of the same name, doesn't mean it wouldn't be confusing without disambiguation. Mclay1 (talk) 11:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will concede that the searching convenience is not a strong argument for categories, the way it would be with article titles. But the proposed titles are still counter-intuitive, so it is not entirely irrelevant; and if your argument is for consistency, then both categories including the subject and their corresponding articles should begin with the name of the place represented, rather than a generic word such as "mythology". When you're researching mythological subjects, do you look under "Greek Mythology" or "Mythology of Ancient Greece"? "Norse Mythology" or "Mythology of the Norse?"
- There may be an argument to make for moving some of these titles, where the demonym is not as familiar as the name of the place, e. g. "Mythology of Cyprus, Epirus, Salamis" may be more logical than "Cypriot, Epirot, Salaminian mythology", but this would be the case for only a few of them, which again demonstrates that consistency, while not entirely irrelevant, is less helpful for determining titles than natural language.
- With respect to the modern names, they are simply anachronistic in speaking of subjects from antiquity, and virtually all scholarship written in English over the last three centuries will use Greek- and Roman-era names in preference to modern ones. In some cases such as "Greece", there is a further convention of Anglicization, but it forms on the Roman-era "Graecia" rather than Greek "Hellas". But you will have trouble finding any scholarship referring to the "Elefsinian mysteries", or similar descriptions, and if there is any, it will probably be in recent translations of modern Greek works.
- I will retract my criticism of "Corinthia", finding that the term is used for the territory belonging to Corinth in antiquity. However, "Corfu" is as anachronistic as "Elefsina" and even less recognizable; and consistency within category trees is a weak argument for disambiguation when there is no risk of confusion. Nobody says "Arcadia, Peloponnese" or "Salamis Island", and there is no need to do so in these category names just because disambiguation is unavoidable in other contexts.
- It's not merely that we don't currently have categories for mythology of other, similarly-named places, but that it is unlikely that such categories would exist in the first place. For instance, the Salamis in Cyprus would presumably be covered under the mythology of Cyprus; and there is no other ancient Arcadia that would have any distinct mythology; the barely-known Cretan town is usually called "Arcades", and other places called "Arcadia" were not established or did not bear the name until after paganism was stamped out. The strongest argument for disambiguation would be "Thebes, Greece", but the corresponding article and category on the mythology of Thebes in Egypt are under "Theban Triad". There is not much risk of confusion, and a hatnote would probably be sufficient to help anyone who arrives at the wrong topic.
- To re-iterate, consistency is not a strong argument for renaming categories that are already unambiguous, particularly when the extant names are what readers would most likely expect to find; and in many cases renaming them to be consistent with each other would make them inconsistent with article titles that readers would expect to encounter. It would be better to deal with these on a case-by-case basis. P Aculeius (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I do not have an opinion about "fooian" versus "of foo", generally, but I concur with P Aculeius that we should not use modern names when it conflicts with common names of ancient Greece as used by classical scholars. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Video games about aircraft
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Video games about aircraft to Category:Aviation video games
- Nominator's rationale: These are overlapping categories. THe merge target is older and was merged into this one outside of the cfd process. Mason (talk) 00:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment These cannot be overlapping categories as Category:Aviation video games currently does not contain any content. I also believe you are saying I should have renamed Category:Aviation video games rather than creating a new category. Though these two categories are technically different, as the name and subcategories have or had a different structure, also Category:Helicopter video games wasn't a part of Category:Aviation video games before I redirected the category. Furthermore the category Category:Video games about aircraft is very small, just saying. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- You removed all the content from the Aviation category. All of the excuses/explanations you've listed does not justify circumventing the CFD process. Mason (talk) 16:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the original category of Category:Aviation video games was always too small, overly-vague, and conflicted with Category:Flight simulation video games. It is a better idea to instead just delete both Category:Aviation video games and Category:Video games about aircraft.
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment These cannot be overlapping categories as Category:Aviation video games currently does not contain any content. I also believe you are saying I should have renamed Category:Aviation video games rather than creating a new category. Though these two categories are technically different, as the name and subcategories have or had a different structure, also Category:Helicopter video games wasn't a part of Category:Aviation video games before I redirected the category. Furthermore the category Category:Video games about aircraft is very small, just saying. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The right process is to request a rename at this forum. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The current name of category actually works better, especially because it is a child category of Category:Video games about vehicles. When the page Category:Video games about aircraft is deleted and merged, we will have to rename the category to the original name I desired. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant that the current name works better. You should have proposed a rename instead of recreating a category. Mason (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was actually going to say that first because I changed my mind. We're doing any of that. We'll just merge it instead and leave it as is. The category is very small though. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why would you think that the size of the category is relevant? It doesn't matter about the size. The problem is that you're circumventing the process. Mason (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was actually going to say that first because I changed my mind. We're doing any of that. We'll just merge it instead and leave it as is. The category is very small though. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant that the current name works better. You should have proposed a rename instead of recreating a category. Mason (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The current name of category actually works better, especially because it is a child category of Category:Video games about vehicles. When the page Category:Video games about aircraft is deleted and merged, we will have to rename the category to the original name I desired. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not all flight simulation games are about aircraft. Apparently some people don't realize that things that can fly, but are not aircraft also feature in games, such as dragon riding, bird riding, and other manner of fantastical creatures. Therefore, games about aircraft and flight simulators should be separate categories. Rather, delete Category:Aviation video games as overly vague. I am also concerned about the tree of Category:Works about aviation and whether that is vague and overlapping. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do not have an issue with converting "aviation" to "aircraft". The discussion is mainly about proper procedure. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- This CfD process has been a disaster. Finding a non-vehicle based-simulator under Category:Flight simulation video games category is like finding a needle in a haystack, Category:Video games about aircraft will end up being a largely-overlapping category with Category:Flight simulation video games. So it is a better idea to just delete both Category:Aviation video games and Category:Video games about aircraft.
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Stop double voting. The issue is that you circumvented the CFD process and are now suggesting delete because you don't like the verdict. Mason (talk) 04:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I just added Airplane Mode (video game) which would appear to be your supposed "needle in a haystack" given that it's about aircraft but has nothing to do with piloting them. This only further proves my point. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Stop double voting. The issue is that you circumvented the CFD process and are now suggesting delete because you don't like the verdict. Mason (talk) 04:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Aviation video games, which I will note is currently a {{category redirect}}.
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Category:History of the Jews in the Middle East
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, and keep a redirect, Middle East and West Asia are very overlapping concept. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. ME includes all of Turkey and Egypt, but not the South Caucasus. WA excludes parts of Turkey and all of Egypt, but includes the South Caucasus. Ergo ME =/= WA.
- I could possibly get behind "Middle East and West Asia", but that's a mouthful. Keeping separate ME and WA lists seems the better alternative. Lewisguile (talk) 12:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- ME is a subcat of WA, which is certainly defensible. But much of the content of WA is clearly ME. If we decide what ME actually covers, say it in a note, & rearrange accordingly, won't that fix things? Johnbod (talk) 17:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The three Caucasus countries may or may not belong to either Middle East or West Asia, we can't "decide" that they do belong in West Asia but not in the Middle East. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- We can and should decide what these terms cover for the purposes of the category, and say that. We should be doing that for all such ambiguous terms, such as Central Europe etc. Otherwise chaos. Johnbod (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose, per above, not seeing useful improvement in this proposal. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Appalachia-stub
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Stub template which populates the WikiProject category Category:Stub-Class Appalachia articles. Fewer than 60 members and Category:United States stubs is a very full tree, so unlikely to be helpful as either a stub category or a stub container category. Delete the template and re-sort the contents. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Although it certainly needs revisiting for proper application to further entries, this template is not in violation or contradictory to any guidelines shown. It has well over 100 applicable pages and US Stubs is rather broad. Appalachia is a fairly large geographic and cultural region, so generally speaking I'd say it's relevant enough to warrant a stub template.
- Obviously, I created it so I'm particularly biased; still, I'm opposed. Dionysius Millertalk 18:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want the official guidelines, see WP:NEWSTUB. In particular, new stubs should be proposed first at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, where we need to demonstrate that this is not redundant to more specific stub templates.I am also not saying articles should use {{US-stub}}, I am saying things should use stub templates which feed into Category:United States stubs. For instance, this template is currently transcluded at Kentenia State Forest. However, we have the very specific {{HarlanCountyKY-geo-stub}}. I don't see how a more generic stub type is helpful here, and if it is we need to create an actual stub category (following NEWSTUB). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 109 entries in Category:Stub-Class Appalachia articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:7thC-document-stub
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Orphaned stub template with no associated category. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think I made that template for some stub article I came across if my memory serves me right. I don't care about that template now that the page has been deleted, so delete it is.
- (Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 02:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not0nshoree, reasonable. Just as a note for the future, new stub types should be proposed following the procedure at WP:NEWSTUB. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Subdivisions of the Dutch Republic
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this underpopulated category Mason (talk) 00:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge but to Category:Dutch Republic, the article is about occupied territories rather than a subdivision. The Seven Provinces might offer seven entries for this category but I presume they do not have an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Military of Curaçao
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Military of Curaçao to Category:Government of Curaçao
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this underpopulated category Mason (talk) 00:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Economy of Loosduinen
[edit]- Propose delete Category:Economy of Loosduinen
- Propose merging Category:Companies formerly based in Loosduinen to Category:Loosduinen
- Propose merging Category:Transport in Loosduinen to Category:Loosduinen
- Propose merging Category:Mayors of Loosduinen to Category:Loosduinen
- Propose merging Category:Paintings of Loosduinen to Category:Loosduinen
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated categories, upmerge for now to the former village, Loosduinen. There's only one page per category, and the vast majority lack relevant parent categories. Mason (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Field guns by company
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Field guns by company to Category:Field guns
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This is a redundant category layer with only on parent category. Mason (talk) 00:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)