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Shradha Sharma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:NBIO, most of the references are extremely poor or straight up paid articles about her company. [1][2] - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sahiba Bali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no lead role of her as an actor. Fails WP:NACTOR Lordofhunter (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record WP:NACTOR is not about lead roles only, but significant roles. Mushy Yank (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The majority of the references focus on viral moments or provide limited career context, rather than in-depth discussions of the subject's career and achievements. Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV. MimsMENTOR talk 16:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sweta Singh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBIO, all coverage is sourced to WP:NEWSORGINDIA , the wire source only makes a passing mention of her that too for making false claims [3] - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chitra Tripathi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Among the Godi media anchors who get routine coverage for spreading disinformation but they are overall not notable. Totally fails WP:NBIO. - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving Magadha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unnecessary article doesnt needed already mentioned very much on List of wars involving India.Such type of articles should be for present day entities. Edasf (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving Mughal Empire exists
List of wars involving Ottoman Empire exists
List of wars involving the Kingdom of France exists
List of wars involving Holy Roman Empire exists JingJongPascal (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All wars are properly sourced.
The Magadhan Empire and Second Magadhan Empire is seperated by 200 years
This article will help a user to view all of them in one go
While on List of wars involving India
One will have to switch time periods. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some exceptions do exist and all above article like for Mughals have issue the Mughal one is functioning even more like a disambiguation page.Another thing The first or second Magadha empires separation canT give a valid reason for a separate article.There arent that much wars for Magadha majority here dont have a separate article and some even looks like created by OR. Edasf (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then why do Holy Roman Empire & Kingdom of France exist ? JingJongPascal (talk) 14:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exceptions exist They have several wars Edasf (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
they are already included in List of wars involving Germany, yet they exist. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JingJongPascal They have many Magadha doesn't have that big to have a separate list. The list itself looks Original Synthesis. Edasf (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Arshin Mehta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Previously deleted and salted. Sources:

  1. IMDB. Really?
  2. Interview hence not independent
  3. What makes this a reliable and independent source? I'm not seeing evidence of either.
  4. A collection of advertisements is not a reliable source.
  5. Another interview
  6. IMBb again
  7. Sole mention of the subject is "The movie stars Arshin Mehta."
  8. Sole mention of the subject is one sentence and a cast list.
  9. Sole mention of the subject is one sentence attributed to her and her presence in a list.
  10. Not significant coverage for various reasons.
  11. Another interview
  12. No mention of the subject other than in the title.

So the sourcing just isn't there. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete As per nom, the sources don't come even close to satisfying WP:GNG, and BEFORE finds nothing better. There is also nothing to suggest this person would meet WP:NACTOR, either. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unsurpring it's Pppery again nominating an article I worked on just yesterday as it invoked this category I'm currently patrolling alongside autopatrollers, Category:Pages with templates in the wrong namespace, foe deletion. I then sent it to RMTR because of the Arshin Mehta (Actress) title which I ain't surprised due to seeing that it was salted (due to 3 creations and 3 admin deletions within November and December 2017) and it was posed as though I'm part of a hidden scheme just to have an article here with this title whatever it takes when in fact it isn't. Good luck anyone reviving this though! Intrisit (talk) 21:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Very minor actress with no significant and notable roles. Fails WP:NACTOR. Sources are mostly unreliable and one that is not secondary independent and some others poor with no significant coverage on the subject but just passing mention. RangersRus (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vikalp Singh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV sources and am unsure how this page was kept. I asked the reviewer for clarification but received no response, so I am taking it to AfD. The sources are poor, providing only passing mentions, and I found no significant coverage after further searches. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 14:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Gupta (film director) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A director whose films are not notable, thus failing to meet the WP:NDIRECTOR criterion, and the sources are likely NEWSORGINDIA. For example, this Mid-Day article is a sponsored piece, as it appears under the 'brand-media' section and is published by BrandMedia. Other sources are ANI press releases, which are neither independent nor WP:SIGCOV and may also be sponsored. Consequently, the subject currently fails to meet GNG. GrabUp - Talk 14:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mangilal Arya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I searced web and I didn’t find any single source for this article, fails WP:GNG. This article is also tagged since 2012 but not yet nominated. I m surprised how did this page survived a long. TheSlumPanda (talk) 11:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amrish Tyagi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Being related to a notable person does not establish notability on Wikipedia. The subject clearly fails to meet both WP:NPOL and WP:GNG guidelines. Baqi:) (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rajiv Ranjan Prasad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This clearly fails WP:NPOL, as the subject has not won any elections to prominent positions like MP, MLA, or MLC. Additionally, it does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (WP:GNG). Holding a position as Chief National Spokesperson of a party does not satisfy Wikipedia's general guidelines for notability. Baqi:) (talk) 09:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nagasena Mahathera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Prefacing this by saying I cannot search except in English, I can't find any substantive content about this person. This book at least verifies the claim, but that's it, no further detail. Other sources I've found have also been trivial mentions. ♠PMC(talk) 23:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete the book does exist but mere existence isn't enough. My search revealed nothing substantial beyond a few trivial mentions so it fails BKCRIT.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: After careful review and extensive searches for supporting references, none were found to substantiate the content. Therefore, I am inclined to proceed with the information provided by the nominator, recognizing their contribution to this article. Baqi:) (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Jannatulbaqi, err, continuing my trend of arguing with people who are agreeing with me, are you entirely certain about your comment as well? I have to admit I'm concerned to see you say you made "careful review and extensive searches" when two minutes before posting this comment you were declining two AfC drafts and accepting another. ♠PMC(talk) 07:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How long could it really take to do a quick Google search? That’s exactly what I did. I simply searched the name on the search engine and found that there wasn't much of significance. In the end, I wrote that I agree with the nominator and will go along with them.
    Additionally, a book published in 2015 mentioned: 'Mahathera Nagasena, believed to have been a historical figure, was sent to the kingdoms of Bactria as a Buddhist missionary during Menander's rule. Menander (known as Milinda in Buddhist traditions) was described as arrogant.' Thank you with Warm Regards! Baqi:) (talk) 08:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am the nominator, in case that wasn't clear. Nevertheless, I feel obligated to point out when people make AfD comments that don't appear to be consistent with the circumstances. In your case, I am sorry, but I found it difficult to believe your initial statement that you made "careful review and extensive searches" given that two minutes prior you had been rapidly assessing AfC submissions. Had your initial comment been more honest about simply doing a "quick Google search", I wouldn't have called it out. ♠PMC(talk) 08:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, people often do the same, and I’ve noticed it too. But if you read the comments I’ve made, even in previous AFD, you’ll see that I am genuinely careful. or I’m glad that you paid close attention to my activity, and I also apologize if any of my statements caused you any hurt. Take care, thank you. Baqi:) (talk) 08:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No sources on the page and from search, the subject, a figure in history does exist but no significant coverage can be found to pass notability. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - abbots and the equivalent leaders of monasteries are not automatically notable, and if nobody else can find reliable sources, then he is not notable. Bearian (talk) 17:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bobby Balachandran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Movie maker does movie making things. While the movies are notable, this guy doesn't seem to be. Fails WP:FILMMAKER. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taran Bajaj (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability is dubious. Fails WP:FILMMAKER or WP:ACTOR. B-Factor (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fried Water Films and Entertainment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:NORG, WP:GNG and no WP:SIGCOV. A company, corporation or organization is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The only sources I could find just list an address and an email address. Couldn't find any films they have ever made. Isaidnoway (talk) 12:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MoEngage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Trivial coverage WP:ORGTRIV. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 10:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hodges (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBIO. Old AFD is not for this person, it was for someone church-related. Geschichte (talk) 05:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sho Kamimura (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Rightfully prodded by User:Piotrus in 2023. Played very briefly in Japan’s second league, India’s second league and in Singapore. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, no sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudarshan Singh Bajwa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. The sources primarily focus on the subject's demise, which does not justify the existence of an independent Wikipedia article. I recommend a speedy deletion, as the article has little to no chance of surviving a deletion discussion. MimsMENTOR talk 09:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Seems to hold the third highest police rank and served as a director of a cabinet secretarial, which both seem to be about mid-level civil service positions. This doesn't strike me as meeting notability. Appears to be in senior management, which isn't usually high enough to meet notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was DGP of Haryana and DGP is the highest rank of police officers in India. Ref. and he is also recipient of President Police Medal which is the highest decoration of police officers in India. Ref. TheSlumPanda (talk) 11:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete speedy under what grounds? The article attempts a claim of significance, but seems like a fine case of BLP1E. This IPS officer was never covered in the media before 2018. My search yielded nothing substantial other than articles about his passing.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't believe the article attempts a claim of significance. While being a high-ranking police officer and a medal recipient is notable, it doesn't necessarily meet the GNG or the criteria for significance as outlined in WP:SIGCOV. Aside from news coverage of his passing, no other reliable sources have been found, nor are they expected to be. This is why I recommended a speedy deletion. MimsMENTOR talk 20:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ashish Deora (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Can't find anything much different from the stuff already in the article or in the sources. Source 4 is entirely promotional, and source 1 probably is too. A WP:BEFORE search was performed but I couldn't really find anything that establishes notability. If Google Translate is to be trusted, then sources 2 and 3 don't give any more depth either. Procyon117 (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(I forgot to add this but just to add) The sources say he has founded companies in different sectors but none of the sources actually say what those companies are aside from one or two. Procyon117 (talk) 15:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Miss You (film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is about an unreleased film which does not satisfy film notability. Unreleased films are only notable if production itself has received significant coverage by reliable sources. A review of the sources shows that they are all announcements or press releases about the film or its songs. The first five references, in four different media, are essentially identical, which is best explained that they are the same press releases to different media.

Reference Number Reference Comments Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 The Hindu States that movie will be filmed. No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
2 cinemaexpress.com States that movie will be filmed. No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
3 thesouthfirst.com States that movie will be filmed. No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
4 www.business-standard.com States that movie will be filmed. No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
5 The Hindu Same as 1 No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
6 timesnownews.com States that movie will be filmed. Probably. Not for this purpose Yes Yes
7 Times of India Passing mention of a song. Maybe No. Passing mention. No Yes
8 cinemaexpress.com Press release about a song. No. No Yes Yes
9 cinemaexpress.com Another press release about a song. No. No Yes Yes
10 news18.com An announcement about the film. Probably. Not for this purpose. Yes Yes

There is also a draft; the draft and the article are by different authors. The information in this article and in the draft can be merged in the draft, and the draft can be submitted, with reviews and other quality sources, when the film has been released and reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Because release is announced for late November, I would normally have suggested to keep this and I would have merged the draft into it .....but there are TWO drafts Draft:Miss You Movie (created yesterday, just before the article, same creator) and Draft:Miss You (film) by User:Gowthamaprabu (created 21. 10); the latter was declined by the nom. Read the following comment: "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Miss You (film) instead.", said the nom of the present AfD when declining the page.....which, if I was the page creator, would make me think, the page discussed here is not concerned by deletion! Still as Gowthamaprabu's Draft was the first page to be created, I consider it should be the starting point so I suggest a merge of all three pages into Draft:Miss You (film). Premise is known, actors are notable, coverage for verification exists, so even if it's the other way around, I won't be shocked but declining the Draft and inviting its creator to expand a page and, an hour later or so, taking the said page to AfD is a bit confusing.Mushy Yank (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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    Hello @Robert McClenon and @Mushy Yank! Hope you're both doing well! I wanted to provide some context regarding the article Miss You (2024), which covers the upcoming film set for release at the end of November 2024. As mentioned transparently, I have been commissioned by the producers to edit and create content for this article, ensuring accurate representation of the movie. I’ve Confirmed that the official release date is November 29, 2024, though due to a lack of publicly available citations, I haven't specified the date in the article itself. I’ve included all available information with relevant citations, and I believe the content is accurate and complete as presented. If possible, I'd suggest we retain the article and continue to improve it together. We could even consider merging it with Draft: Miss You (Film) by User:Gowthamaprabu to consolidate information. Meena1998 (talk) 07:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Draft:Miss You (film) since the film's release is near, let's wait. Once it hits theaters, it is expected to get more coverage and critical reviews. You can then update the page and publish it through the AFC route. For now, let's merge its content into the declined draft:).Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Daveed (2025 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unreleased film, nothing especially notable about the production, therefore does not meet WP:NFILM, specifically WP:NFF, as an as yet unreleased film. Should have remained in draft space but has been moved back to main space, so deletion is required. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And regarding the notbaility of prodcution, The film was distributed by Century Films which is the distributer of Malaikottai Vaaliban, Perumani and John Luther etc. These are the details I got from the producers social handles. Arjusreenivas (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Notability" would rather be established through sources independent of the subject. (Not saying that what you are saying is not true nor that it is not interesting) Mushy Yank (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Thank you for your Participation in this Discussion, Please Check sources, I think the article have more than enough sources. Arjusreenivas (talk) 03:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing about the production, as stated, is notable. Everything is very, very standard. WP:NFF is clear: Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. Basically, you should not be creating articles in main article space about the vast majority of films that have not yet released. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, This article covers a film that's set to release in the next two months. Regarding production details, I can only reference publicly available news articles and interviews. Given the popularity of this film in India, I believe many people here are already aware of its production background. I kindly request someone from India to assess the notability of this article, especially regarding its production and other key details.
I welcome everyone to expand the article and contribute with verified information. I’m also sharing data I’ve gathered from media sources to help make this a comprehensive and accurate article. Please feel free to edit for clarity, correct any English errors, and improve. Arjusreenivas (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plunder of Murshidabad (1742) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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  • First of all, the article is written in the form of a fan-made story, attempting to villainize an entity (or perhaps show off? There are numerous instances in articles about Indian military history where users have included shocking or vulgar acts committed by militants).
  • WP:CITEKILL has made source analysis more complex, but once unreliable sources were cleared, the analysis became much easier. The article clearly fails to meet WP:GNG, as well as old sources falling under WP:RAJ and WP:AGEMATTERS have widely been used (caused the reason for the put down of the last proposal, and i was on a break)

Analysis:

  • The New Cambridge Modern History Vol. 7 (1713-63)* by Lindsay, J. O., Ed:

The book only mentions "Murshidabad" once, with the context found in the parent article on Maratha invasions of Bengal.

  • The same applies to *The Marathas - Cambridge History of India (Vol. 2, Part 4)* by Stewart Gordon;

It mentions the event alongside the "Maratha invasions of Bengal," which, indeed, should also be referenced here. A separate article is not warranted for this event, as it is a minor occurrence within a larger conflict—specifically, a plunder. Such events do not meet the minimum notability standards. In fact, an entire page from a reliable source is missing in this case. Additionally, the use of a military conflict infobox is unnecessary here, as it follows the same problematic pattern seen with articles like "Battle of X" or "X-Y Wars" in Indian military history. This approach has caused numerous issues. In conclusion, the article fails to meet notability standards and is poorly written. The content could easily be integrated into the parent article instead. Imperial[AFCND] 14:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarvepalli Sisters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable singers. Fails WP:GNG. BBQboffingrill me 07:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kempegowda 2 removed several times by user. This is the only article created by that user.

See the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Dubbed films do not get articles. Dubbed films do not get articles in any circumstances. The icing on the cake is that the last Zee News source upon translating in English says that It was made as a Kannada movie with Shankar as the director. Recently this film is being released in Telugu with the title Yamadhira. The original text was శంకర్ దర్శకుడిగా చేస్తూ కన్నడ సినిమాగా తెరకెక్కించారు. తాజాగా ఈ చిత్రాన్ని తెలుగులో యమధీర టైటిల్‌తో విడుదల చేస్తున్నారు.

The 5th source (TFPC) despite being potentially unreliable also confirms the same. Yamadheera is a Kannada film made by Vedala Srinivas as producer and Shankar as director. Our Telugu actors Nagababu, Madhusudan, Ali and Satya Prakash are acting in this movie.

@Ravensfire:, I already created the discussion, but this user is adamant, do you think it could be a case of WP:COI? DareshMohan (talk) 07:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources given are not indication of notability: the first two are from the company itself, while the third repeats a company statement, and the last two are instances of its CEO being quoted in media for unrelated topics. Doing a quick WP:BEFORE, I can find more company announcements/press releases (thehindubusinessline.com, entrepreneur.com), and this article by techinasia.com which still quotes the company's statements to some extent but not as fully as the others. Still, not looking like it meets WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Too soon, no reliable resources - Herodyswaroop (talk) 11:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources in the article, at least the ones in English (and most of them are in English!), talk about Lamdas arrest of a notorious rapist. A WP:BEFORE revealed more of the same plus social media accounts. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 14:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No sources since 2008. Article appears to be entirely WP:OR. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No sources since 2008. A search for RS shows mostly references to this page. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nothing has changed since the last AFD. Fails GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 04:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battles of Belonia Bulge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The "Battles of Belonia Bulge" article has faced multiple issues since May, as it does not meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Specifically, the article provides insufficient Doomguy427 (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Laggam (film). A move can be discussed and implemented at editorial discretion Star Mississippi 22:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laggam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article Laggam (film) already exists, and is more comprehensive. Content from Laggam can be merged into Laggam (film) if necessary. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge This issue can be resolved by requesting a merge and someone has already submitted a request for it. Now that the issue has been brought to AFD, the content of Laggam should be merged into Laggam (film). But after the merger the title should be changed to just "Laggam".Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Srinagar attack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NEVENT. I'm only seeing routine coverage, and no in-depth coverage. Not sure if this is going to have any lasting effect or receive any more coverage than what's already there. --Ratekreel (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't qualify for WP:NORG or WP:GNG. Has received very basic routine coverage which amounts it "this also exists". It is an alliance of minor parties without representation in any state legislature or national parliament, more than half of them don't even have their own articles. MrMkG (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Riyasat Parjamandal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find enough sources to show that this topic meets WP:NORG. Redirection would have been a good ATD, but the only article that mentions this party is Ghagga, a town, which seems inappropriate as a target. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unable to find enough sources to show that this meets WP:NORG. PROD was contested. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unable to find enough sources to show that this meets WP:NORG. PROD was contested. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gladrags Manhunt and Megamodel Contest (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This event lacks in-depth, independent and significant coverage as confirmed by a search on Google News. Also, the award is given primarily for promotional purposes by entities involved in marketing which is one of the exclusionary criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (awards and medals). Charlie (talk) 17:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep how a national contest could not be notable. It also sends winners as national representatives to Manhunt International, Miss Intercontinental from 1997 to 2003, Miss Tourism International. Also Covered in high-profile Indian media which added, kindly check. Jitujadab90 (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not seeing any in-depth, independent and significant coverage on Google News. Could you kindly provide a detailed source analysis to support your vote to keep? Charlie (talk) 06:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tamilaga Vettri Kazhagam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Despite its creation by a blocked sockpuppet, specifically User:Bhusungk, this political party was founded this year and has not yet participated in any elections. The article currently fails to meet the notability criteria outlined in WP:GNG and WP:NORG. As a newly established regional political organization, it has not made notable contributions to regional or national political landscapes. Most sources are centered on initial news coverage reporting the party’s formation by a well-known actor, lacking substantial analysis or depth regarding the party’s policies, actions, or influence. There is no indication that the party has engaged in any significant political activities or initiatives that would establish its importance. Additionally, no reliable sources provide evidence of public or political recognition or electoral impact that would qualify it as a noteworthy political entity.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 13:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Just because the party has not participated in any elections, doesn't make it less notable, the party was created 9 months ago from a 15 years old philanthropic fan club, which did participate in an local election, especially since the recent massive political conference, TVK has already been established to be notable party in Tamil Nadu politics, as it was created by a very popular actor in India, also already got millions of memberships, the mainstream media has been covering everything, the article is supported with lots of reliable sources with significant coverage meeting the criterias of WP:GNG, and they have become more active in the past months with announcements of policies and resolutions and will probably be actively engaging in more political activities and campaign for the 2026 election. Yarohj (talk) 05:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that's true
    I agree to the point 188.236.122.29 (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Yarohj: While TVK has gained attention due to its high-profile celebrity leader, actor Vijay, and its recent political conference, the article may still fall short of meeting WP:GNG. Most coverage thus far has focused on the party's formation and media events, rather than deep, independent analysis of its policies or political influence​. While membership numbers and media attention are notable, the political impact of TVK will only become clearer once it participates in elections. MimsMENTOR talk 18:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
there is enough and more evidence to prove that this is a political party with a massive public base
But I disagree the need to be deleted as it is a party created by a well known personality in India and has a high chance of winning the next legislative assembly elections by a high margin and a chance of forming a state government 188.236.122.29 (talk) 14:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Predictions of its electoral success are speculative, the party’s actual impact will only be clear once it participates in elections. Previous attempts by other celebrities to enter politics in Tamil Nadu, like Kamal Haasan and Rajinikanth, did not lead to significant political success. While the party's future potential is acknowledged, it does not yet meet the criteria for notability based on current available information. MimsMENTOR talk 18:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete (for now): I am not casting a strong delete vote, but I do support drafting the article, as it falls under WP:TOOSOON. Given its growing popularity and potential significance within the Indian political landscape, I believe there is a strong likelihood that the article will meet the GNG in the near future. Let me list out my point of view on the article.--MimsMENTOR talk 17:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The party has not yet participated in any elections. This means that its impact on the political landscape is still to be fully realized. The article mainly cites initial news reports about the party’s formation and its ideological stance, with most coverage focusing on the widely acclaimed and highly honoured actor's background as a celebrity and the announcement of his intentions for political reform. While the article includes substantial media coverage, most of the references appear to be centred around the announcement and some early speeches, rather than detailed analysis or critical coverage of the party's policies or activities.
  2. WP:GNG requires significant coverage from independent and reliable sources, including substantial analysis or reporting. At this stage, the coverage of article is mainly superficial, reflecting media interest but lacking deep journalistic inquiry into its policies or broader political influence. For that reason, the article fall short in meeting the WP:GNG.
  3. Finally, while the party’s registration with the Election Commission is underway, its full impact on Tamil Nadu's political scene will not be apparent until it participates in the upcoming elections (like the 2026 Tamil Nadu Assembly elections). Until then, it remains an emerging entity without substantial political achievements.--MimsMENTOR talk 17:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your comments about "participating in any elections, impact on the political landscape, detailed analysis or critical coverage of the party's policies or activities, party’s registration with the Election Commission, full impact on Tamil Nadu's political scene and substantial political achievements" are not policy based or required criteria under GNG. GNG sources are not evaluated based on personal preferences. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's surprising that you consider the points I raised as "personal preferences" rather than recognizing them as general principles that apply to all establishments seeking to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. The points I discussed are entirely focused on aligning with the guidelines outlined in GNG, and are not based on subjective preferences. They are intended to reflect the standard requirements for notability, which are consistent across all articles under said category. MimsMENTOR talk 19:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure they are consistent across all articles under said category? From a glance, I can see that many parties listed in Category:Political parties established in 2023 and Category:Political parties established in 2024 have only announced their participation or have only recently created their parties. It still looks more like a personal preference than a general principle. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I stand by my comments. Are you confident that all the articles in the categories you mentioned fully comply with the guidelines? Have you reviewed any of them? or were discussions held to retain the articles and considered eligible for inclusion? and I notice that very few of these articles actually have reliable sources to support their notability. I encourage you to present counterarguments specifically addressing GNG, rather than listing other articles that may or may not have passed the notability guidelines. About the party in question, it is important to assess whether it truly meets the criteria for inclusion based on its current status and available coverage. Let's focus on the application of the guidelines, rather than on other cases that may not be directly relevant. And If you believe the article meets the GNG criteria, please provide a detailed explanation of how it qualifies. MimsMENTOR talk 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If other cases are not relevant here, why did you reply above with "Previous attempts by other celebrities to enter politics in Tamil Nadu, like Kamal Haasan and Rajinikanth, did not lead to significant political success."? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 20:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some users argue that this article should remain because it was founded by a well-known actor in India and claim the party has a strong chance of winning the next legislative assembly elections and potentially forming a state government, on the basis of only "popularity". However, this is purely speculative and falls under WP:FUTURE and that is why I referenced the political involvement of two similarly popular actors, to highlight that fame alone does not guarantee political success or notability. MimsMENTOR talk 20:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pranav Adani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable individual. Sources are promotional and cited to WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Only known for being a relative of Gautam Adani. See WP:INHERITED. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Trivial coverage WP:ORGTRIV, promotional WP:PROMO and WP:ROUTINE. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 03:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional article from an SMM company using press releases, interviews, product and facility launches, and other announcements. No coverage in reliable sources. No coverage in independent reliable sources, fails GNG. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi, these coverages are all reliable, they are posted on reliable media sources like news medias, print magazines. please feel free to check all the links before making a decision. Pitchonepr SMM (talk) 07:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
at the very least Delete the sections of the article that are just listing products, but the article as a whole reads somewhat promotional. Gaismagorm (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KeepLeaning keep. I cannot evaluate the reliability of most of the sources used in the article but some of them sources that look alright, like Rest of World and News18. The topic of the article seems notable. Jeraxmoira, are you saying that all of the sources are unreliable? Can you explain why you think so? Needless to say all the promotional fluff that is not supported by sources or is supported only by the company's press releases should be removed. Alaexis¿question? 22:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the proper process for dealing with the WP:COI has not been followed by Pitchonepr SMM, I urge them to disclose their conflict of interest immediately (full disclosure, I came here because asked me a question at my talk page). Alaexis¿question? 22:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alaexis, the Rest of World article is an interview and the News18 article is a press release. They do not pass the WP:SIRS check that is conducted for articles about organizations and companies. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeraxmoira, yeah, you're right about these two sources. And what about this piece? It seems to address the subject directly and in depth. Alaexis¿question? 22:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a very good source with a byline and it also seems to be a magazine feature. But, I wouldn’t be okay with it, as it’s an interview that would fail the WP:SIRS check. i.e., it is not completely independent of the article subject. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed my !vote to Leaning Keep. I understand your points but still think that this topic is notable. Alaexis¿question? 08:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your rationale seems like WP:PPOV to me, as the author of the article reached out to you earlier through the mentorship module. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Groww (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a G4, but no indication the issues raised at the prior AfDs have been addressed. A search is hard due to the name, but no indication of N:CORP. Star Mississippi 02:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to me leaving a !vote, I am hoping you can point out the WP:THREE you feel meet the guidelines outlined in WP:ORGCRIT? I have started going through the references but there is a lot of churnalism and routine announcements so hoping as the creator you can point me in the right direction. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CNMall41 There are many reliable sources but I will point out these sources to claim notability:

--Curvasingh (talk) 02:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Groww is India's largest stock broker right now. There is no point in nominating this page for deletion. Saura376 (talk) 10:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC) Saura376 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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1. Forbes India is not Forbes. It must be evaluated with care. This reference was previously assessed and I would agree with that assessment. The reference looks like it was written by the company itself based on the details information, quotes, and use of images and infographics that are promotional to the company.
2. LiveMint - I would not consider this source reliable at all. I can go to Fiverr or Upwork and pay to have my own article written for the publication. Not saying this one is, but do not trust a publication that doesn't always differentiate between paid press and organic press. If it is found to be reliable, this particular reference is similar to the Forbes India one above. Tons of quotes and graphics for the company.
3. Times of India - This is a reference published since the last AfD discussion. Clearly falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA so not reliable.
4. Forbes India - This one is similar to the other Forbes India reference. However, the promotional tone appears to be from the publication's own research as to why the company won the award. It also appeared in print version so I would say this would be within the rhelm of ORGCRIT.
5. LiveMint - Same as 2.
6. Economic Times - Falls under NEWSORGINDIA. No byline and the first sentence starts with the location the news is coming from, indicating a press release or churnalism.
7. Business Today - Interview which would not meet ORGCRIT
8. Money Control - Same as LiveMint.

I can only see one source that would probably meet ORGCRIT. I also see a heavy push by SPA's and likely COI editors in the previous and current editing. If kept, the page will need cleaned up for NPOV. If deleted, salting may be in order to save time of volunteer editors. If anyone wants to discuss the individual sources assessed above please do so as I may have missed something and will gladly look at any additional information. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNMall41 Here is one article from Forbes, not Forbes India -> https://www.forbes.com/advisor/in/investing/groww-vs-zerodha/ --Curvasingh (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:FORBESCON. Source is not usable for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CNMall41 There are many sources from the The Hindu also:

--Curvasingh (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NEWSORGINDIA and WP:ROUTINE. We need sources passing WP:ORGCRIT. Please review that guideline and let me know what sources meet it. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CNMall41 I am not sure how you are passing some information as routine coverage. In some earlier sources, there was extensive profile coverage of Groww. I am starting to think now that few Wikipedia reviewers has some inherent bias and that is why there is Criticism of Wikipedia, which is also why Wikipedia has been involved in lawsuits:-> https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/wikipedia-suspends-access-to-ani-defamation-case-page-following-delhi-hc-order/article68778075.ece

The classification of some credible information as non-reliable is not good. Even then I will provide another source from Business Standard :-> https://www.business-standard.com/companies/start-ups/financial-services-startup-groww-moves-domicile-to-india-from-the-us-124051000028_1.html --Curvasingh (talk) 04:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Casting WP:ASPERSIONS certainly does not support your keep !vote contention. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pocket FM (platform) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Trivial coverage WP:ORGTRIV, promotional WP:PROMO. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the platform has demonstrated notability through its significant user base, international expansion, and coverage in reputable sources, establishing it as a notable player in the digital audio streaming industry --Moarnighar (talk) 11:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be considered notable on Wikipedia, it's not enough to be popular in terms of user base; there needs to be significant coverage from trustworthy and independent sources. If the coverage isn’t thorough or the sources aren't reliable, the platform's importance in the digital audio streaming industry might be exaggerated. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 02:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source assessment table here might be of great use. Need to get to the bottom of if the sourcing is routine or not.
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Comment: Source Assessment Table

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/pocket-fm-funding-audio-series-1235947135/ Yes Yes Trivial coverage on funding ? Unknown
https://restofworld.org/2024/elevenlabs-pocket-fm/ Yes Yes Yes Yes
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/21/lightspeed-finalizing-leading-80m-plus-funding-in-pocket-fm/ Yes No Wikipedia:TECHCRUNCH Trivial coverage on funding No
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/pocket-fm-to-start-ip-licensing-of-its-content/article65523336.ece Yes Yes Trivial coverage on service offerings ? Unknown
https://www.financialexpress.com/business/sme-pocket-fmaudio-streaming-service-storytelling-that-powers-binge-listening-2690554/ Yes Yes Trivial coverage on service offerings ? Unknown
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/pocket-fm-to-invest-40-mn-to-expand-online-reading-library-11708408857053.html Yes Yes Trivial coverage on funding ? Unknown
https://www.financialexpress.com/business/brandwagon-pocket-fms-india-arm-registers-647-revenue-growth-losses-contracts-by-56-in-fy-2023-3355318/ Yes Yes Trivial coverage on the amount of revenue ? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 08:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Do editors agree with the source assessment?
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I would disagree with the source asssessment. Not every TechCrunch article is significant coverage but this one is. Combined with Variety this looks like a keep. And just as an additional point of reference $160MM in revenue is a lot, this is not a random just-launched startup that happened to get trade mentions. WilsonP NYC (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kallakkadal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is not a distinct phenomenon, but rather a local name for swell surge used in coastal Kerala, also known by various names in other parts of the world. Presenting it as a distinct phenomenon is scientifically inaccurate. Additionally, this is not the Malayalam Wikipedia. Per WP:CFORK, this is an unnecessary content fork. The Doom Patrol (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Fair enough, and I agree that this would be better treated as a more general topic, but I note that Swell (ocean) does not actually contain the term "swell surge", and does not seem to cover this type of phenomenon. Thus more a case for rewriting and generalizing than for redirecting or deleting? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge: The article primarily focuses on the swell phenomenon specific to the South Indian coastal region and its local name, "Kallakadal," within the broader context of swells. This is the main distinction highlighted in the article. I recommend merging this content with the Swell (ocean) and adding a brief section under a new headline to address this regional phenomenon (if required).--MimsMENTOR talk 15:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it’s basically a WP:FORK, but I won’t oppose a smerge. Bearian (talk) 03:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 22:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kumaar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Looking at the listed films, I cannot see where he is mentioned on some and the others I do find him in are not supported by the sources used. A WP:BEFORE finds no significant coverage. There is also some FAKEREFerences used such as those for the awards. The one he apparently won does NOT show the award won, only lists his name as a nomination. CNMall41 (talk) 02:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference to support the award so a citation needed tag would not suffice. The other references are not reliable. The first is a redaction of what was posted on Instagram, the second is WP:NEWSORGINDIA, and the third is all quotes from the subject (it also shows a byline but posted by Odisha Diary Bureau which indicates it could be a paid placement - not assuming it is but not the strongest of sources). --CNMall41 (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete:It is evident that the subject does not adhere to the WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC criteria. From my research, only have some routine coverage and the majority of sources are not good enough. Furthermore, some of the few news stories available from internet have no bylines which means that they are mostly paid. 111.92.70.85 (talk) 13:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What evidence do you have to support your claim? The sources found online contradict your statement. Could you please clarify your position?; MimsMENTOR talk 10:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: It is surprising that the subject is noted as not passing WP:NMUSICIAN, as reliable sources can be found online to meet the criteria for WP:BIO and WP:GNG. However, the subject is more commonly known as "Kumaar" rather than the original name "Rakesh Kumar Pal," which might be causing difficulty in finding reliable sources. The subject has made significant contributions to mainstream Bollywood, including three Filmfare Award nominations (2017, 2019, and 2024) for lyricist work in the popular films Jawan, Sonu Ke Titu Ki Sweety, and Roy (film). Additionally, the subject has won awards at Zee Cine Awards 2024 and Mirchi Music Awards 2023, both of which are highly regarded platforms in India. Based on these accomplishments, a strong case can be made to retain the independent article.--MimsMENTOR talk 09:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that winning an award under C7 does not guarantee notability. The guideline says someone "may be notable," indicating that they are likely to have significant coverage. The links you provided just shows the name and the award, no other context. So yes, the nominations and award can be verified, but there is no significant coverage of the person which is still a requirement. Note the specific wording of WP:NMUSICIAN - " and no criterion listed in this page confers an exemption from having to reliably source the article just because passage of the criterion has been claimed."
CNMall41 (talk), I agree with your mentioning of the wording from WP:NMUSICIAN. However, it's important to note that the phrasing does not justify deleting the article simply because "significant coverage" hasn't been found yet, as opposed to the availability of "reliable sources." Additionally, an article doesn't need to meet 100% of the criteria to qualify as a stand-alone entry. The focus should be on adding more sources that provide significant coverage, as the notability guidelines are still met.--MimsMENTOR talk 18:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we do not delete something in the absent of sources present on a page. However, if we have searched for sources an do not find significant coverage, then delete would be appropriate. There would be a difference between sources that exist but are not and the page and sources that do not exist. I have tried to find significant coverage and have been unable to locate.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here, I am providing references that demonstrate "significant coverage." While some of these sources may be questionable or weaker in terms of "reliability," they do fulfill the requirement for significant coverage. Please note, significant coverage means more than a brief mention, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the primary focus of the source material since the article already passes WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG.
"I’m the best caller tune writer" - Kumaar
Lyricist Kumaar to bring back 'Ishq Tera Tadpave'
मदर्स डे:'बेबी डॉल' के गीतकार कुमार ने भास्कर के लिए लिखीं खास पंक्तियां - मां संसार बनाती है, मां संस्कार बनाती है - Hindi language
Lyricist Kumaar calls 'Pathaan' a 'blockbuster' as he poses with Shah Rukh Khan, Deepika Padukone and John Abraham at special screening - See photos
Lyricist Kumaar celeberates birthday with friends and relatives
Lyricist Kumaar confesses about why writers are compelled to fight for their rights
Eveyone Ask Me Hook Line Kya Hai Says Lyricist Kumaar
Singer Mika Singh gifts lyricist Kumaar a diamond ring worth ₹18 Lakh – See pic
Kumaar Biography--MimsMENTOR talk 19:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for providing those. Here is my take as I already reviewed some of these in the WP:BEFORE.
Filmfare, not independent. This is an interview with the majority (if not all) information provided by the subject.
Radio and Music, falls under NEWSORGINDIA and not reliable. The clearest signs is the byline of "RnMTeam" instead of an actual writer; and, the article starting with the location which is where the news came from which is often based on a press release or information provided by the subject.
bhaskar.com, This may be lost in translation but what I got from this is it says he has written more than 100 songs for films. That is a statement of notability, but nothing much there other than that and the fact he wrote a song for Mother's Day. Could maybe be used for notability if there are some additional that can be pooled with.
ToI, reports on a statement he made about a film, but nothing significant "about" him. The article, which is also void of a byline, simply quotes what the subject wrote on Instagram.
Bollywood Hungama, reliable source, but it is simply a bunch of pics from his birthday party. No context and not significant. More of a tabloid piece.
Bollywood Bubble, I did not check the reliability of the publication, but assuming it is, the reference is still an interview and not independent.
Bollyy.com, Another non-bylined piece. Also a redacted interview. A few paragraphs with some quotes.
Business Upturn, cool story about being gifted a ring. Tabloid news and pretty much summarizes what the subject has on their Instagram page.
Veethi], a bio listing which is not something we can use for notability.
At this point I would think there is more coverage if the source above is correct about writing songs for over 100 films. I just don't see it unfortunately. Are there possible name variations you would suggest I search for? Based on the claim of notability, I would love to save the page but we need the sources to do so. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I have been unable to find sources that comprehensively list all of the subject's works, I am concluding my part of the discussion here. However, I strongly oppose the deletion of this article. It already meets the criteria outlined in WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. The inability to find a complete work history should not warrant deletion, as many articles would not meet this standard under similar circumstances. Deleting an article simply due to incomplete citations is not necessary when the subject's notability is already established by existing guidelines.
I encourage the author and other editors to focus on adding more reliable citations to strengthen the article and address the concerns raised by the nominating user. Expanding the list of references and ensuring accurate citations will not only enhance the article's credibility but also help in fulfilling the request for additional sources. Thank you for the discussion, and I hope further contributions will improve the article's quality and completeness. MimsMENTOR talk 06:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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