Wikidata:Property proposal/study or design for
study or design for
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
Description | finished work of art for which the subject is a preliminary study, design, or conceptual drawing |
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Represents | study (Q2647254), drawing (Q93184), sketch (Q29527561), costume sketch (Q29642784), other work of art (Q838948) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | item |
Allowed values | work of art (Q838948) |
Example 1 | Queen Jane Seymour (1508/9-1537) (Q62071377) → Jane Seymour (Q20091565) |
Example 2 | Princess Elizabeth and Princess Anne (Q18683153) → Five Eldest Children of Charles I (Q28016094) |
Example 3 | Design drawing for a hair comb “Birds and Irises” (Q60524777) → Birds and Irises (Q60024123) |
Planned use | to link studies to their associated artworks |
See also |
Motivation
[edit]Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts
We don't currently have a good way to link a design drawing or study to the final painting, tapestry, jewelry, costume, stage set, or other artwork for which it is a preliminary, conceptual work. "Based on" (used on the final work) doesn't really express this sense, since the study may be of a small detail (hands, drapery, one figure out of many). Saying that Holbein's portraits of Erasmus are <based on> his sketches of Erasmus's hands just isn't right. Better to say the hand study is a <study for> the portraits of Erasmus. (Note that single value and single object constraints should not apply to this property - there may be many studies for the figures in a large tapestry, and likewise several portraits worked up from a single study.) PKM (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Support - Spinster 💬 20:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- though I think a link back to Holbein's studies of Erasmus's hands should be on the Erasmus portrait, and I don't have such a problem with 'based on' there (one could add an 'applies to part' qualifier, to clarify that the statement applies to only part of the final portrait, not the whole design). But this property would add additional information on top of that, that the hands were specifically a design for the portrait, and I think that makes it a useful addition. Jheald (talk) 20:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 06:47, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- I've been thinking about this for a couple of months now and I support the idea behind the proposal. But I think the other way around should be the chosen method if only one property is to be created. The reasons are practical. Most of the Wikipedia articles that we have will be about the finished works and a Wikidata Infobox is usually designed to use the statements of a given item only, not those pointing to that item. Also, there should be some kind of constraint for both items to have the same creator (P170) value, this being one of the main differences with based on (P144). Thierry Caro (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting. Do we have any Wikipedia infoboxes that include the studies for a given work? - PKM (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- They would probably get their way into fr:Modèle:Infobox Art if the property was created. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting. Do we have any Wikipedia infoboxes that include the studies for a given work? - PKM (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support NMaia (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support Jane023 (talk) 07:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support Oliviervd (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- @PKM, Spinster, Jheald, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, NMaia, Jane023: Done as study or design for (P6606). Thierry Caro (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)